39 responses to What’s the difference between New Order and Old Order Amish?
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    Katie I am
    Comment on Why do they do it? (May 4th, 2011 at 09:58)

    Why do they do it?

    This is less of a comment and more of a question, why have they decided that they want to spend the rest of their lives without technology, electricity, or media? It doesn’t hurt anything usually, I just don’t get it. If the question is answered in the article, I didn’t read it. I just think that people should embrace the future, that’s all. I have nothing mean or rude, or curt to say about these people. I am just not told about this kind of thing often and want to learn more about this interesting religion and way of life. This is the only religion I know of that has been transformed from just a religion to something more, I find it very satifying to know that some people still have some sense religion wise. If I could, I would be Amish, but I don’t want to give up my technology…

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      Brenda
      Comment on What’s the difference between New Order and Old Order Amish? (October 9th, 2011 at 14:03)

      Katie I am – may I take a stab at answering your question?

      Amish preach/teach that to (1) follow tradition, (2) obey parents, (3) strict adherence to all rules in the Ordnung, and (4) be baptised Amish is the only hope for heaven. Modern technology therefore is not tradition.

      For the most part Amish live the way they do in an effort to work out their salvation.

      Your questions are welcome invitations to learn.

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        Randy Taylor
        Comment on The Amish are truely Christ-like minded (December 3rd, 2012 at 19:34)

        The Amish are truely Christ-like minded

        All religious beliefs have their own faults & imperfections, but the Amish beliefs are so very close to blissfulness & peace that technology is not needed in their society to operate & function as a community. So let them live their life without stuff that clouds the worldly minds. They made their choice so do’nt push worldly garbage onto them.

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      Regina Green
      Comment on New and Old Amish (January 9th, 2012 at 19:11)

      New and Old Amish

      From living close to Lancaster, PA and having friends who were old and new Mennonites it is easy to see why this wonderful group of people have chosen to live this way. To just see them, the peace of the Lord is with them Peaceful, devoted, so much belief in the Lord. Wonderful religious practices, growing and eating so healthy, and doing what the Lord speaks to all of us in the Bible. Technology is good but it isn’t doing people any good. So much evil is coming from technology that is destroying families and children. Take time to think about it. At age 65, we didn’t have all the things that children have today and we grew up to be responsible, dedicated, and hard working adults. Discipline was taught, and respect for our elders of expected. Yes, I do know what the Amish and Mennonites are peaceful with the way they live. The best we can do around them, is leave them be at peace, and not ridicule them, which too many tourists have done. It is sad and breaks my heart for them.

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      Regina Green
      Comment on What’s the difference between New Order and Old Order Amish? (January 22nd, 2012 at 09:05)

      The way I can answer you question, would be to say it is their deep spiritual heritage. It is something they don’t want to let go off. The Amish across the board are extremely humble and private people. Their deep spiritual believes are lived out. We read the Bible, we know what the Lord expects of us and depending on the deep abiding faith each of us have, and and studying the Lord’s Word. Each of us may choose not to subject ourselves to another way of living. We may choose not to socialize with certain people, or certain music, or wear certain clothing. And that’s okay?

      Honestly, it’s okay not to understand. But good to learn about things like this. I hope someday you will get to witness how the Amish, Old and New, live, by taking a trip just to be around them. Some may speak some may not. They are not snobby, it’s just any facet of their belief.

      You question was great though!!

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      Regina Green
      Comment on Katie (January 23rd, 2012 at 12:01)

      Katie

      That is a good question, and I have your answer. Majority of the “Plain Amish” do not want access to the modern day things we have is because they do not want any influence from the “outside world.” The faith is that strong that only the Lord will lead them and care for them. In all honesty if we didn’t have the TV, Radios, Games, etc. that people from age young to old this nation and world would be in a much better situation today. Do you realize that we are constantly hearing about shootings, robberies, negative, awful, depressing, things that is warping us unless our individual faith is strong enough to see us through.

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        Comment on What’s the difference between New Order and Old Order Amish? (May 18th, 2016 at 21:30)

        With all due respect, and I do sincerely mean that, evil is not derived from technology. That’s just an ignorant statement. Evil people choose to be that way and they come from every walk of life, including the Amish. I’m a religious Orthodox Jew, and our community is similarly insular and we avoid most media, but there are just as many criminals among us as there are in the next, non religious community.
        My personal2 cents is that perhaps if people took the time to know and raise their children, we wouldn’t have shootings and rampant drug use and unwanted children being born, but the truth is, as humans, we’re all failing at that. We need to support each other and live well for the Lord despite all we can be exposed to. The best way to show the Lord is to live for the Lord and I just don’t see much of that done with humility, but with self-righteousness.
        It’s a sad state, but technology and media isn’t the root of this evil. That’s ridiculous. Case in point: my kind, pious and charitable neighbors lovingly raised their children. One is a meth addict and criminal and never so much as saw a TV show or listened to secular music a day in their life, even today as this person still lives in the community.

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          Mark — Holmes Co.
          Comment on What’s the difference between New Order and Old Order Amish? (May 19th, 2016 at 09:09)

          Chasyah, I am Amish and I agree with what you have written. I can also think of people who have turned out “badly” who were not exposed to “technology” and history teaches us evil existed long before the internet, smart-phone, or whatever. In choosing to be very selective, I am not hoping to avoid becoming “evil” so much as being careful about what I choose to occupy my thoughts with and how I relate to my fellow man.

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            Comment on Re: Mark and bad people/technology (May 19th, 2016 at 15:16)

            Re: Mark and bad people/technology

            Thank you for your response, Mark. Regina’s comment just set me off I’m especially pained that the young woman I speak of was sexually abused by a former neighbor who had thank G-d, been in prison since before I moved here. It breaks my heart and it happens in all walks of life.
            I know only a small amount of Amish culture as I’ve never walked in your shoes, but I have great respect for the Amish and respect their rejection of certain things. A lot in religious Judaism is similar, only that we generally use most modern conveniences, expect on the Sabbath.
            When I visit my relatives north of Philadelphia, I get mistaken as Amish by tourists since we share plain clothes and hair covering in a similar way. I often have to explain and get lots of weird looks, but I just smile.
            On a different note,
            I’d love to experience a day with an Amish family, especially since I’m disabled and use a wheelchair. I struggle within my own community because most of us are still in the dark ages when it comes to disabled persons. It seems to me, the Amish seem generally most accepting, kind and accommodating of their own who have disability. I’d like to think special needs children aren’t shipped off or hidden away like I see in the ultraorthodox and haredi Jewish communities. I’d love to experience that wholesome, hardworking way of life.
            Bless you, Mark. You’re doing a great mitzvah educating people like myself!!

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              Amsey
              Comment on Reply to Chasyah (May 20th, 2016 at 00:19)

              Reply to Chasyah

              Do you realize the message you responded to was 4 1/2 years old.

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              Mark — Holmes Co.
              Comment on What’s the difference between New Order and Old Order Amish? (May 20th, 2016 at 09:12)

              On a different note,
              I’d love to experience a day with an Amish family, especially since I’m disabled and use a wheelchair. I struggle within my own community because most of us are still in the dark ages when it comes to disabled persons. It seems to me, the Amish seem generally most accepting, kind and accommodating of their own who have disability. I’d like to think special needs children aren’t shipped off or hidden away like I see in the ultraorthodox and haredi Jewish communities. I’d love to experience that wholesome, hardworking way of life.
              Bless you, Mark. You’re doing a great mitzvah educating people like myself!!

              Hello Chasyah. I had to chuckle that there are people who mistake you for Amish, as I’ve had people assume I’m Jewish. :) I was in NY City years ago when a lady (I assumed Jewish) began a very lively conversation with me but I could not understand her. She didn’t seem very happy and I later wondered if she thought I was a Hasid who was dressing or acting improperly. But that’s just a guess.

              I don’t know how special needs people are viewed or treated in your community, but in ours we use the term “special” and mean it. There is no reason to push such a person to the side or be ashamed of them or treat them in any was as “less.” Personally I have been humbled by what I have learned from so-called handicaps. We don’t have “special” children but close friends do and learning more about that slice of life has been a blessing. When it comes to a pure, innocent, and truly special person, I think of our friend’s Down’s daughter — a real ray of sunshine. My wife & I have been inspired by “walking with” her parents through the steps of concerns & doubts, acceptance, resignation, and unconditional love.

              There are also Amish “handicapped” reunions, just like there are reunions for widows & widowers, dwarfs, teachers, single boys, single girls, blind or deaf people, and any other kind of reunion you can think of. (Though there does not seem to any reunion for people who do not like going to reunions. :))

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                Mark — Holmes Co.
                Comment on What’s the difference between New Order and Old Order Amish? (May 20th, 2016 at 09:14)

                oops! Sorry I had pasted Chasyah’s comment into my reply box so I could refer to it and failed to delete all of it after writing my comment.

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                Michelle
                Comment on What’s the difference between New Order and Old Order Amish? (May 30th, 2016 at 04:18)

                I have always been intrigued by the Amish and the Jewish communities. It was not until now that I realized that I have seen Amish travel quite a few time through my airport (I work in Puerto Rico’s main airport).
                I hope both of you have a blessed day

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      mary
      Comment on truths (November 15th, 2013 at 10:31)

      truths

      in my experience of what some might call courting an Amish fellow which in my world is very much like dating i have learned from his family and my relatives who are amish as they would say. tis better men and women work all day of their lives than lie around like a fat house cat.
      putting it in my own words or what i think it means .
      they beleive god wants us to be diligent and long suffering as well as keep our minds pure.

  • Hi Katie, thanks for your question on Amish and technology. Amish believe we should limit what we use b/c unlimited use of technology can have negative and often unintended side effects on the family, community, and church. If you’d like to read more on the topic I’d suggest this relatively short piece: http://amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-technology/

    You’ll see Amish do use a surprising range of technology but there are concrete reasons for the limitations they do have.

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    kim
    Comment on Technology Can Have a Negative Effect (October 8th, 2011 at 20:01)

    Technology Can Have a Negative Effect

    I kinda have to agree with the Amish on this subject. Unlimited use of technology does have negative results on families and community. But we who live outside in the techno world have embraced it and we really can’t stop the impetus.

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    Jasmine Mitchell
    Comment on New order Amish. (January 20th, 2012 at 16:05)

    New order Amish.

    Do the new order Amish just live in Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina? or do they live in other place also? -Jasmine

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      Comment on Other states with New Order Amish (January 20th, 2012 at 18:18)

      Other states with New Order Amish

      Hi Jasmine, thanks for your question. From above,

      “Other New Order communities can be found in approximately a dozen states, including Indiana, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina”

      Those other states include Kentucky, Illinois, Montana, and Michigan.

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        Regina Green
        Comment on What’s the difference between New Order and Old Order Amish? (January 20th, 2012 at 18:24)

        Hi Erik,
        Jasmine was a question I received. Do Amish live in Jasmine? I have no idea where Jasmine is. Must be overseas somewhere. I am familiar with the Amish in Lancaster County Pennsylvania. Lived about 45 minutes from Lancaster. Just watching the Amish fascinated me and still does. Such a wonderful, peaceful, group of people with such reverence and strong beliefs in God.

        Regina

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    Regina Green
    Comment on Do the Amish live in Jasmine? (January 20th, 2012 at 18:10)

    Do the Amish live in Jasmine?

    I am not familiar where Jasmine is. I looked it up on the Internet and only found one site where it stated that the Amish DID NOT live it Jasmine. Tell me more about this.

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    Regina Green
    Comment on What’s the difference between New Order and Old Order Amish? (January 20th, 2012 at 18:34)

    Take care Erik. What religious denomination are you?

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    Jasmine Mitchell
    Comment on New order Amish. (January 20th, 2012 at 21:20)

    New order Amish.

    Sorry about my question above. I was in a hurry and didn’t take time to read it after I wrote it. The question should have said,

    Do the New order Amish just live in Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina? or do they live in other places also?

    -Jasmine

    Also thanks for answering my question Erik and Regina.
    God bless.

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      Regina Green
      Comment on New Amish (January 21st, 2012 at 07:05)

      New Amish

      No problem Jasmine. Not to worry.

      The Old Amish we always considered to be “Old Mennonites” and the New Amish were considered to be the “New Mennonites.” If this is what you are referring to the Old and New Mennonites lived in my home area of PA. the Old Mennonites still remained rather strict in their attire, lived very plain and some had cars (black in color) and “some” had TV’s and radios, but remained pretty close to their sect. The New Mennonites were more relaxed. They did have TV’s, Radio’s and modern appliances, bit did have black cars and lived modestly. Some did however still wear there little bonnets. I had become friends with a family of New Mennonites and loved being around them. Learned a lot from them too. Both “orders” are extremely religious and remain close to there Christian faith and are so peaceful to be around.

      Now, if there is a newer sect/order of Amish, I am not familiar with it. Only the “Old and New Mennonites” which are off springs of the original Amish. That is something I will do was research on, however. You peaked my interest.

      Are you studying this in college, or just curious? Fascinating to me how I found this question on my email. Made me a little homesick.:-)

      Take care and God bless you Jasmine.
      Regina

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    Amsey Horst
    Comment on New versus Old Order Amish or Mennonite (January 22nd, 2012 at 15:35)

    New versus Old Order Amish or Mennonite

    I grew up Old order Mennonite in Rural Waterloo County, Ontario, Canada. I have moved far away from that heritage both in physical distance and believe. I now live in Vancouver Canada in what some of my American friends call “The Left Coast”. If you are in the USA and look North Vancouver is to your left on the Pacific Ocean.

    In answer to the question, There are Amish Mennonites who have dropped the name Amish and who identify as Mennonite yet you would not know it if you met them or walked into their homes. They have, radio, TV an computers just like the rest of us. There are other churches who have dropped the name Mennonite completely yet can trace their heritage directly to the Old Order Mennonites.

    There have been many division within this group. So of the oldest was the split between Amish and Mennonite. Most divisions occurred because of disagreements regarding things like cars, Sunday school and many other minor (from an outsider’s view) differences. In Southern Ontario alone there used to be over 30 distinct different groups of Mennonites. I used to say that all Amish were Mennonite but not all Mennonites were Amish. However some more recent research would indicate that Amish did not branch off and keep the Mennonite name. Even with those 30+ different groups one uncle decided that he had to move his family to Virginia to worship with a very small group there that was not represented in Canada.

    Mennonites generally are more conservative but conservative is a moving target depending on what you are using for comparison.

    Amsey Horst

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      Gary Lemaire
      Comment on Tobacco (January 22nd, 2012 at 16:47)

      Tobacco

      My wife and family grew tobacco.
      Was it sold for smoking or chewing.
      Her Mom once told me they made cigars.

      Does this practice go on in old and new order?

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        Regina Green
        Comment on Tobacco (January 23rd, 2012 at 11:32)

        Tobacco

        It would say yes, they still grow tobacco. The non-commercialized ways still do exist, and that’s why they may still want to do that. Also they can trade or sell within their group.

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    Jasmine Mitchell
    Comment on Regina. (January 22nd, 2012 at 16:22)

    Regina.

    Thanks for answering my question.

    I’m am just curious. I like to learn all I can about the Amish.

    Thanks again and God bless you.

    -Jasmine

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      Regina Green
      Comment on What’s the difference between New Order and Old Order Amish? (January 23rd, 2012 at 11:53)

      www.padutchcountry.com/activities/amish-activities.asp

      amish.net/faq.asp

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptist
      (article explaining Anabaptist. Look at the whole article. It’s is a bit intense reading, but factual.

      www.800padutch.com/amishpeople.shtml (check out the tabs too)

      www.800padutch.com/amish.shtml

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    Jasmine Mitchell
    Comment on Regina. (January 22nd, 2012 at 16:22)

    Regina.

    Thanks for answering my question.

    I’m am just curious. I like to learn all I can about the Amish.

    Thanks again and God bless you.

    -Jasmine

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    kristin
    Comment on ? (August 20th, 2012 at 19:54)

    ?

    Do the old order amish except the new order amish at all ?? Like as fellow church members ? Or are they completely seperate ?

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    Rachel Landa
    Comment on Question regarding special needs children within both new and old order. .. (December 27th, 2012 at 22:29)

    Question regarding special needs children within both new and old order. ..

    I have done extensive reading on both the Old and New Order Amish, but I have never heard how either group handles dealing with special needs children. Even with modern technology its difficult enough on the outside world. How do they do it? I’d be interested to know. Thank you for your time.
    Rachel

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      Amsey Horst
      Comment on How Old order Amish deal with special needs children. (December 27th, 2012 at 23:23)

      How Old order Amish deal with special needs children.

      Old order Amish and Old Order Mennonite are or at least used to be to a large extend farmers. Mainly their families stay together and usually special needs children are integrated into the families. I had an aunt who was pass from one family member to another. She was given the opportunity to contribute to whatever extend she could. Beyond that she was looked after by family and made to feel accepted and useful or at times pitied.

      A greater problem occurs for those who manage to fend for themselves. Their struggles are mainly ignored and never talked about. If it can be ignored then it does not exist. This is a very sensitive and painful issue for me.

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        Stefanie
        Comment on Disabilitys (June 7th, 2013 at 19:42)

        Disabilitys

        I ave autism it the same weather you live in a,amish coummity Orr are when a disability isn’t as obvious as other people ave a hader time understanding .like some of my friends are mild then me so it less obvious with them they struggle with people understanding them ,with me it more obvious

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      Comment on Amish special needs schooling (December 28th, 2012 at 10:42)

      Amish special needs schooling

      In terms of education, there are various special needs arrangements including classes in Amish schools or provided by the public system.

      Here is a link with some relevant info about this kind of education in an Ohio settlement (Holmes County): http://books.google.pl/books?hl=pl&id=1MSzboiBfrkC&q=special+needs#v=snippet&q=special%20needs&f=false

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    confused student
    Comment on How would I cite this? (February 11th, 2013 at 15:52)

    How would I cite this?

    I’m doing a research paper on the new order and old order amish and I am not sure how to cite this in MLA form, does anyone know how to cite it?

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    Mary
    Comment on Do any New Order still live in Lancaster County? (January 15th, 2016 at 21:02)

    Do any New Order still live in Lancaster County?

    I was just wondering if there are still New Order Amish in Lancaster County, and would appreciate it if someone here could tell me. I can’t find any stats online. Thank you!

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      Mark – Holmes Co.
      Comment on What’s the difference between New Order and Old Order Amish? (January 16th, 2016 at 10:02)

      Mary, the New Order church in Lancaster Co. disbanded. Some members joined other churches or moved to other communities, a few returned to the Old Order.

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        Mary
        Comment on Mary (January 16th, 2016 at 12:54)

        Mary

        Thanks Mark! I appreciate it.

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