25 responses to What is the Amish Ordnung?

  • Cleone
    Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (November 9th, 2010 at 08:42)

    do all Amish follow these rules…i have known some that use the internet a lot

  • Hi Cleone, Ordnung can vary quite a bit between congregations. Some Amish do use the internet, for example in a non-Amish workplace or by accessing it over a mobile phone.

  • Wendy
    Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (November 26th, 2010 at 23:54)

    I believe some of the rules of the Ordnung. However, in some of it I read, for example divorce. They weren’t there, and they don’t know what happened in the marriage. Each divorce is different. Some divorces God does grant. If the person got divorced before getting baptized the divorce has been erased. Jesus is the only one who was born sinless. The Bible says the Judge is standing at the door, that we are not to judge. However, if we judge someone, than we will be judged twice as hard.

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  • Julie
    Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (January 15th, 2011 at 15:49)

    I recently was dating an Amish guy that had not joined church yet, and drives a car and has a cell phone. We dated for a bit, then he found out I had been divorced years ago…short term marriage. When he confronted his dad about it, his dad made us break it off, and threatened him if he see’s me again they will shun him. He is an adult, and should be able to make his own choices. His father was going to take away his job & family just because of me. Finally we separated because I didn’t want any trouble within his family life. Now we both agonize daily about it because we wanted to marry. We don’t know what to do.

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  • Alice Aber
    Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (January 15th, 2011 at 21:16)

    Julie, I feel so bad for you. You and your Amish man are in quite a situation. The bottom line is he will have to choose between you and his family from the sounds of things. That is not an easy choice to make for him. The bible says to honor your mother and your father. The Amish are very strict when it comes to divorce.

    With him not being baptized yet it would be easier for him to leave the Amish. However, his family could choose to shun him anyway.

    The only thing I can suggest is you both take time to pray about it and ask God to lead you both. I don’t know if it would do any good for you to talk to his parents openly and honestly about your previous marriage and how you feel now about marriage, church and God. Only you and he would know that. But maybe it is something to think about?

    I wish you the best and pray God guides you in this.
    Blessings, Alice

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    • Daryl
      Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (January 26th, 2012 at 14:39)

      talk to his parents

      It will do no good to talk to his parents. The law against divorce and remarriage is not an ordnung ruling but a biblical ruling. Their marriage will never be accepted by any conservative Anabaptist group. The only way those two can get married is if her ex dies.

  • Tracie
    Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (April 30th, 2011 at 10:47)

    Can I buy a copy of the Ordnung somewhere?

    Hi there – I have recently become fascinated with the Amish. I was wondering if it is possible to purchase a copy of the Ordnung just for personal study and learning. I have searched the internet and don’t seem to find anything. Thanks for any feedback or suggestions.

    On a personal note, I am a Christian and have a Mennonite family heritage (though not Mennonite myself), and grew up near a smaller (than others) Amish community. I’m surprised about the misconceptions I had about the motivation behind Amish lifestyle and am interested in learning more. I don’t think that theirs is the best and/or only way to live a complete life in Christ, but their ideas certainly make me think about my own life and attitudes and whether I am living up to my own calling. Fascinating stuff!

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    • Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (August 4th, 2012 at 12:36)

      Divorce

      I am confused sometimes because truth frequently is in the mind of the one who is consulted..I have been a less than committed Christian the last 40 years..I married a second time after a marred marriage and that marriage ended too in divorce..I believe now that as is it explained in the infalibile Word of God, I am not to marry again unless my two wives die…What do YOU think ?

      • Lattice
        Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (August 4th, 2012 at 19:25)

        It doesn’t matter what I think.

        I can tell you what the Amish Church, conservative protestant churches, and (I think) the Catholic Church believes the Bible teaches on this subject.

        God intended “One husband, one wife… for life.”

        Although there were Laws which dictated how divorces should be handled, Jesus essentially said that it was not in God’s plan for divorce to ever take place, and because of that, if a divorced person remarries, or if a single person marries a divorced person, both are committing adultery.

        So in essence, according to this understanding, a divorced person is not free to remarry unless his former spouse is no longer living.

        People come up with a million and one reasons as to why their particular circumstance is an exception to this “rule.” I cannot be the judge of that. It’s between them and God.

        Many say that they were not yet Christians when they were first married/divorced. Many say that their partner was abusive. Some claim their spouse was an adulterer/adulteress. There are many seemingly “good” reasons.

        I cannot say, and it wouldn’t matter what I said anyway. Our particular church stands by the notion that, if after remaining steadfast in prayer and after forgiving “70 times 7,” it is sad, but acceptable to separate from your spouse. Not to divorce.

        This topic has a tendency to make many people defensive and angry.

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      • Daryl
        Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (August 6th, 2012 at 03:51)

        Hi John
        Sorry to hear of your trials in what must have been painful and unpleasant life experiences, may you find comfort and strength in the Lord. Biblically, in answer to your query, you only have to wait for your first wife to pass on, or reunite with her if that would be possible. Your second wife was a forbidden marriage and thus she does not count as a legal wife biblically and you are not bound by her.

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  • Written Ordnung?

    Hi Tracie, the Ordnung is almost always not a written document. It is reviewed orally twice per year at special services. It also varies among the many different church districts, with different technology and dress standards, for example, among other things. Also, as mentioned above, it can change and does over time.

    The book The Riddle of Amish Culture by Donald Kraybill has good info on the nature of the Ordnung.

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  • Tracie
    Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (May 5th, 2011 at 08:54)

    Thanks1

    Erik – thanks! I appreciate the information.

    • Brittney
      Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (April 1st, 2012 at 14:42)

      Written Ordnung

      I realize that your this comment was written awhile ago, but I figured that I would post this site anyways. Regarding a written version of the Ordnung, I found http://www.mcusa-archives.org/library/resolutions/amishdisciplines1568-1865.html to be particularly helpful. It doesn’t contain modern additions/changes, and it does not provide specifics for each community; however, it does provide the original guidelines/ordinances the Anabapist (and therefor the Amish and Mennonites) used as well as accepted modifications to them on a broad scale.

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  • Rachel
    Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (October 18th, 2011 at 16:15)

    Thanks!

    This is so fascinating!
    I am a modern-orthodox Jew, and there seem to be a lot of similarities between the way our legal system that dictates behavior functions, and the Ordung.

    I know that you said that many don’t own telephones, but is there someone who I could talk to about this? I find it really interesting how people deal with the tension between tradition and innovation, and the attitudes surrounding this. I would love to learn more!

    Thanks so much!!

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    • Daryl
      Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (January 26th, 2012 at 14:49)

      I will

      Hi Rachel
      I would be most interested to speak with you on this subject as I have experience with both Yiddishkeit and Fromkeit.
      You can contact me at daryl.hartwell@gmail.com.

  • tiffany rangier
    Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (December 3rd, 2011 at 14:38)

    long talk

    I am sorry for that long reply about ordnung and divorce.

  • tiffany rangier
    Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (January 28th, 2012 at 15:54)

    well now i am trying to retreat from kansas to kentucky,currently in marion illinois.could someone from church pick me up?i will be at a local church hopefully soon and have minutes on my phone 7854089304.I can work

  • tiffany rangier
    Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (January 29th, 2012 at 14:14)

    ?

    yes relocating here to marion illinois and heading to pudicha ky brought many challenges.but with the precious name of jesus i should make it their.

  • tiffany rangier
    Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (January 30th, 2012 at 11:11)

    odrung

    when i can print this i can read it more,some one explain better…is it about examples of our abdmonition?(I dont know if I am spelling that correctly)

  • tiffany rangier
    Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (January 30th, 2012 at 11:12)

    odrung

    sorry,also practicing charity and compassion is a stong part of omish and mennonite?

  • Arturo guluniping
    Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (December 28th, 2012 at 11:13)

    During this discussion thread on “Ordung” and
    The subject of divorce; I find that Erik is more
    Helpful than Daryl. It seems to me you have
    A motive Daryl- it is to say something is wrong?
    I know the Ordung very well myself and speak
    fluent old German “Spreaken Sie Gross’ ok here
    is my take on divorce- The Amish & Mennonite
    Communities I always known and biblically speaking
    on what I believe is Divorce is not acceptable meaning
    Divorce same as Amish and Mennonite say this:
    Jesus wants us to be saved, if you divorce yes you
    Must wait for that spouse to die first before Jesus
    Can bring 2 people together, Notice I said bring 2 people
    Together as one! This is how Amish & Mennonite
    Believe because it’s a unity that no man can put asunder!
    This is part of all Ordung, yes as Erik have said
    Different churches have different things they can
    Change from time to time depending on the community?
    May you come to be saved through Him!
    Blessings!
    Auf Weidersen!

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  • Comment on What is the Amish Ordnung? (October 1st, 2013 at 09:36)

    Remembering the Ordnung?

    Hi Erik:

    First, I appreciate all the work you do on this site. Exploring it has been hugely helpful for me. A question: I am puzzled about how the twice-yearly ‘review’ of the Ordnung takes place if it is not a written document. By ‘not written’ I am wondering if you mean ‘not published’; that is to say it remains ‘in-house’,not something for sale, etc. I am thinking along these lines because a review would require some reference, something to refer to. Or what if there are disputes in interpretation of a rule; is there something to look up to settle these kinds of issues?

    Thanks,

    Jim

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