15 responses to The two Lancaster Counties
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    Katie Troyer
    The two Lancaster Counties (August 24th, 2007 at 16:20)

    I wonder who put the 31 flavors of Amish together, although that is probably pretty accurate. I live in Sarasota Florida and so I get to taste all the liberal Amish flavors.

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    The two Lancaster Counties (August 24th, 2007 at 20:19)

    Where in Parke County are there Amish settlements?

    When we were visiting Adams County earlier this summer, my wife learned about two different Shipshewana women who had married into the community around Geneva. One tried opening her own business, which failed because the people there refused to have anything to do with it. The other may have started her own business, too (I disremember and I’m telling this at 4th hand) but was a little better accepted — not that it was easy for her.

    Talk about a culture clash! Those Shipshewana people are pretty wild in comparison to the ones in the south part of Adams county.

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    The two Lancaster Counties (August 25th, 2007 at 03:53)

    Hi Katie,

    Of course the 31 flavors is my own approximation/adaptation of a convenient pop culture slogan…the number’s not exactly accurate but you get the idea, (thank you very much Baskin Robbins)! Especially living in Sarasota–you must see all styles of dress in that Amish ‘melting pot’.

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    The two Lancaster Counties (August 25th, 2007 at 04:24)

    Katie, I wanted to ask you–do you see a lot of Amish children in Pinecraft area? I’ve always had the impression that there’d be fewer as it seems to be more a place for older/seasonal Amish..? In any case I guess there’s only one district anyway–but I see from my most recent Calender that they’ve got three ordained bishops in that one district!

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    The two Lancaster Counties (August 25th, 2007 at 08:58)

    That “Patchwork” book sounds interesting. Now I’m conflicted! Do I want to read it to help me understand what I’m seeing when I ride in Indiana? Or do I want to first do some more rides so I can learn by watching (and maybe talking with people, too) and then see if my observations are confirmed by others? I’m planning a few outings in Indiana for the next two months, and had already planned for one of them to be based at Rockville. I rode through Parke county last year on a history trip, but must have gone a few miles to the east of the Amish places you listed.

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    Amish in Parke County-Rockville, Indiana (August 25th, 2007 at 04:04)

    Amish in Parke County-Rockville, Indiana

    The Parke County Amish are generally associated with the town of Rockville. My Calender also tells me some have Marshall addresses so that gives you an idea on the geography of it. There are currently five districts. As I recall from my visit a few years back it’s a beautiful rural setting and also known for being the county with the most covered bridges in the US (one more than Lancaster apparently).

    That doesn’t surprise me about the Adams/Lagrange differences. I’m just reading in ‘An Amish Patchwork’, a book on the very diverse Indiana Amish, that Adams County actually has five different affiliations. I’d met some Adams County transplants in Lagrange but only in the more conservative eastern side of the settlement.

    The ‘Amish Cook’, (Lovina Eicher–of Michigan) is actually originally from the Adams settlement–I’ve always wondered if she’d be able to write and publish the column if she still lived there.

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    Katie Troyer
    The two Lancaster Counties (August 25th, 2007 at 10:22)

    I know of only three Amish families living here year round that have school age children or younger. 99% are old folks or singles. During the peak tourist season the Amish church was over flowing with 600 people present. Naturally they had to sit out in the yard and so for the last two winters they have opened up another home for church services during the peak season. Then also some of the overflow attends the Tourist Mennonite church services. You pretty well do what you want to do down here and get by with it.

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    Bruce B-T
    The two Lancaster Counties (August 27th, 2007 at 09:30)

    Hi, please tell us more about your “calender” – who, where, when, and how much $ ?
    Thanks, Bruce

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    The two Lancaster Counties (August 27th, 2007 at 14:31)

    John either way you’ll have a great time. When I first went to some of these communities I did not always know about some of the Ordnung differences and differences in origin so it was neat to discover on my own. I do like the Patchwork book though, the guys that wrote it, Steven Nolt and Thomas Meyers, are top notch.

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    The two Lancaster Counties (August 27th, 2007 at 14:34)

    Katie that is interesting to hear, Pinecraft has always seemed to me a sort of ‘pseudo-Amish’ community for lack of a better term, with its mix of different Ordnungs, tricycles instead of buggies and seasonal/retirement aspect.

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    Amish Calender at dry goods shops (August 29th, 2007 at 11:33)

    Amish Calender at dry goods shops

    Bruce,

    Sorry it took me a bit to respond. The Calender comes out yearly and it is something of an Almanac with some weather stuff and German hymn listings, but the bulk of it is a state-by-state address listing of Amish church districts and ministers. I mail ordered my latest one from Ohio earlier this year, a place called Raber’s Book store out of Baltic. You can get them in other Amish dry goods shops as well. I don’t have the Raber’s address handy but will try to post when I do. It’s more of a booklet and costs just a few bucks.

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    The two Lancaster Counties (September 6th, 2007 at 18:55)

    Bruce–on the Calender–Raber’s address:

    Ben J. Raber
    2467 CR 600
    Baltic, OH 43804

    Gordonville Print shop is the one that prints it apparently:

    Gordonville Print Shop
    3119 Irishtown Rd.
    Gordonville, PA 17529

    Don’t know exact price but when I ordered from Raber I enclosed ten bucks and that covered the Calender, three other pamphlet-books, and the shipping to NC.

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    Henry T
    The Holmes County "dividing line" (December 30th, 2012 at 21:05)

    The Holmes County "dividing line"

    When I was running around with the Amish young people of Holmes County, (1952-56) there were virtually two Amish settlements. To the southwest of us was the more backward area, a triangular araa defined by Farmerstown, Charm and New Bedford at the corners. To the north and east of us were the more progressive Amish young people – “our kind.” We didn’t mix much with those of the backward triangle. We used to say that they were “flat-dutchich”, a somewhat disparaging term, suggesting they were just not quite as good as we were! How childich that seems now!

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      South Holmes County Amish (December 31st, 2012 at 07:33)

      South Holmes County Amish

      Very interesting Henry, thanks for sharing this. Based on how I hear it talked about, this seems to generally still holds true now in terms of the more conservative area, though I wonder if youth mix more now? Would Farmerstown / Charm still land in this more conservative area? I think the churches stretching past New Bedford into Coshocton County would be among the more conservative as well (leaving out Swartzentruber, etc). Just doing some quick reverse-math I guess there were closer to 30-40 Holmes County churches in the period you describe vs. the 200+ today. Quite a difference!

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    Henry T
    The two Lancaster Counties (December 31st, 2012 at 09:58)

    I don’t have a good sense whether the young people mix more freely now or not. I think it may be less of a geographic issue as some other, more subtle, factors. The further south you go, the more rugged the lay of the land, and it gets really rugged some places south of New Bedford. Farming down there is more traditional, a little more in the direction of subsistence farming, whereas up toward Mt. Hope farming is more produce oriented for the auction, and generally more progressive.

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