11 responses to Heuvelton Amish To Nearly Double Safety Tape on Buggies
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    Roy Terry
    Comment on Heuvelton Amish To Nearly Double Safety Tape on Buggies (July 28th, 2015 at 05:43)

    Heuvelton Amish To Nearly Double Safety Tape on Buggies

    We live among the Swarztentruber Amish in Oswego County and have been encouraging our friends in the settlement here to begin using more tape, particularly on the front of their buggies, where the need is greatest. We have witnessed multiple near-collisions between motorized vehicles and practically invisible oncoming buggies.

    Our friends have been upgrading their lanterns for some time, now. The ones in current use appear as bright as the taillights (not brake lights, though) of a typical car.

    Hopefully, the proposed solution will pass the St. Lawrence County Legislature. Their action would make it more likely that it could be adopted here.

    • Since reflective tape is already accepted by Swartzentruber groups, this may be the most feasible way to gradually increase visibility for those buggies (assuming it does in fact do that, which logic says it would). It’s always easier to do a little more of what you are already doing, than start with something completely new.

      Roy, are they also painting the interior of the lanterns white to achieve that brightness?

      And just curious, have your friends been swayed by your encouragement to add more tape to their vehicles?

      Thanks for the note from another corner of NY.

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        Roy Terry
        Comment on Reply to Erik (July 28th, 2015 at 13:18)

        Reply to Erik

        The new lantern my friend Peter showed me was made in Williamstown, NY, I believe, by an Amishman there who fabricates sheet metal roofing and the like. The exterior was, of course, black, but the interior was (as I recall) just the grayish silver underside of the steel used for roofing. Although an occasional cleaning would help when kerosene is burned (a cleaner-burning lamp oil is preferred), no painting would be required.

        The big difference between the new lanterns and the old ones is in the lenses, which allow more light to shine through them. I wonder whether that’s because the new lenses are just cleaner than the old, have a fresnel design that the old ones lacked, are of a lighter shade of red than the old ones, or are made of clearer glass or plastic.

        I’m not sure that we’ve swayed anyone in the community to add more tape, but I’m sure that our sometimes emotional comments have been carried into church discussions, as we are known by several in the district. It may help that my wife and I dress conservatively and are older than nearly everyone in the settlement.

        A number of the local Amish came from Huevelton and still have family there, so what happens in St. Lawrence County will likely affect practices or at least a willingness to change here.

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    Terry from Wisc
    Comment on Safer buggies (July 28th, 2015 at 07:30)

    Safer buggies

    Some years ago I was visiting Amish friends outside my hometown on a Sunday evening, a day for the Amish to go visiting. On my way home around 10:00 pm I almost hit a horse with harness on, but no buggy! After my heart stopped racing I decided it best to inform someone. A farm that had a long driveway was the next place, and there were two headlights coming toward the road. I thought that the headlights were set to high to belong to a car, so I waited to find out who/what it was. Well, it was a buggy,and I thought, how great to have head lights on it! I informed them of the horse I had encountered, and on my way I went.

    That event has always been one that I have remembered because it was the first time I saw head lights on a buggy. A black buggy full of family members on a dark night, can be a dangerous thing!

    When the Amish first moved into the area where I hail from, it was a learning adventure for all. After some close encounters folks started complaining to the authorities about the hazards of buggies on the road at night. At the time all they had was a lantern with a red globe on the side of a buggy that was lit at night. Hardly enough of a warning. Then came the orange triangle debate and the Amish finally caved and put them on their buggies and wagons, and the community said, yeah! 🙂

    Romans 13:1-3 Obey Those in Authority

    All of you must obey those who rule over you. There are no authorities except the ones God has chosen. Those who now rule have been chosen by God. 2 So whoever opposes the authorities opposes leaders whom God has appointed. Those who do that will be judged. 3 If you do what is right, you won’t need to be afraid of your rulers. But watch out if you do what is wrong! You don’t want to be afraid of those in authority, do you? Then do what is right, and you will be praised.

    I realize this passage is open to debate, but it WAS the authorities that encouraged the Amish to make their buggies safer.

    Safe in Christ, Terry from Wisc

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    Alice Mary
    Comment on Heuvelton Amish To Nearly Double Safety Tape on Buggies (July 28th, 2015 at 11:53)

    Interesting interpretation, Terry, though I’d still need to be convinced that some “authorities” (Hitler, for one) were chosen by God (and not that “other” entity). But it’s good to see compromise when it comes to safety in this instance. (Too bad some of those in authority, God-chosen or otherwise, can’t learn to do the same!)

    Alice Mary

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    Mark – Holmes Co.
    Comment on Heuvelton Amish To Nearly Double Safety Tape on Buggies (July 28th, 2015 at 15:36)

    Interesting. I’m glad they were able to come with some ideas that might work for everyone.
    I wonder if they would use reflective nylon harness material? I’ve never thought to look. When we got our last harness we could choose the option of having reflective nylon tape added to the nose-band and brow-band. You don’t notice it (I guess unless you are looking for it) until it is shined on at night and then it really reflects nicely. Now we have seen in a harness catalog from PA new harnesses with this reflective material sewn over much of the harness. In the daylight it’s not really noticeable. The next time we need a harness, I would like that kind. I’m guessing it helps most on the side-view as from the front there would really only be the bands on the bridle and a choke-strap (if using a collar) that could be covered with this reflector tape.

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      Comment on Heuvelton Amish To Nearly Double Safety Tape on Buggies (July 28th, 2015 at 18:28)

      Hey Mark. Out of curiosity, how much does a new harness cost? Not just the harness, I guess I’m wondering what it would cost to get all of the leather, rings, etc. (City girl…can’t you tell? Ha!!) I often see the price of the buggy and/or the horse/s, but I’ve never seen what the other stuff costs.

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        Mark – Holmes Co.
        Comment on Heuvelton Amish To Nearly Double Safety Tape on Buggies (August 1st, 2015 at 08:13)

        Sorry, Harriet, I must have missed this one. It probably appeared in “recent comments” on a day off and was “bumped down” by my next computer visit. A new nylon harness like we use (split-breast strap & overcheck on the bridle) will set you back about $450. It will likely have everything on it except maybe a lead strap. There are various options for the nylon (like high-gloss, semi, or dull finish) and though most have some chrome “spots”, there may be a higher price for extra “spotting.” Same with the lines, those come in various ways: braided leather, glove leather without braiding, a textured rubber coating, etc.
        Other things one needs: a tie-rope and halter to leave on the buggy, a winter lap robe and most people also keep a lightweight robe for milder but still cool weather, and a stable blanket to cover the horse when tied up in cold weather.
        I hope that answers your question. Have a good day!

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          Comment on Heuvelton Amish To Nearly Double Safety Tape on Buggies (August 1st, 2015 at 13:17)

          Thanks, Mark. It is pricey, but still a lot cheaper than a car!! There is probably a lot more maintenance with a horse. I could easily give up driving a car, but taking care of a horse would not be at the top of my “can’t wait to do list”!!!

          Six more weeks until I’m in Holmes County. I can hardly wait!! I would love to meet you, your wife and Rebecca while I am there. It would be nice to put a face with the name.

          Have a great week-end.

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    Comment on I love the Amish lifestyle. Can I join your community with my wife? (August 1st, 2015 at 01:12)

    I love the Amish lifestyle. Can I join your community with my wife?

    I love the Amish lifestyle. Can I join your community with my wife? We can start a community here in Tasmania. We have the only Mennonite community here in Australia in Deloraine.
    Plenty of horses here and buggy makers not a problem.
    Not joking –

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    Jeannie
    Comment on Heuvelton Amish To Nearly Double Safety Tape on Buggies (August 8th, 2015 at 09:51)

    I am thrilled that some are conceding to see this is about safety for all, much easier to see them in the evening with a triangle vs not. I live here in the North Country(Jefferson County)and I have had my fair share of not seeing them at night here on the road I live on( There are several families in my neck of the woods). Some folks have them and some do not…. I prefer that they do just makes it safer and courteous.

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