35 responses to The Amish of Ashland and Medina County, Ohio
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    Comment on www.Amishstorys.com (May 19th, 2011 at 06:49)


    I wonder if the Swartzentruber Amish think the regular Amish are maybe getting a little too comfortable and close with us English?. Richard from Penn.

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    Comment on Swartzentruber vs. "higher" Amish (May 19th, 2011 at 07:09)

    Swartzentruber vs. "higher" Amish

    Richard, good chance you’d hear something like that if you asked the average Swartzentruber Amishman for his opinion.

    However ‘higher’ Amish, say in Holmes County, have their opinions about Swartzentruber Amish as well–just picking up things in conversation you sometimes sense they are looked down upon.

    However there is also a level of respect for them and the groups do cooperate to a degree. I know a regular Old Order Amish businessman who employs quite a few Swartzentruber fellas, and he’s not the only one.

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    Brian D
    Comment on Lorain County too (May 19th, 2011 at 07:47)

    Lorain County too

    While not as prevalent, the settlement reaches up into the bottom portion of Lorain County also.

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      Comment on Amish in LaGrange, Lorain County, Ohio (November 15th, 2013 at 14:29)

      Amish in LaGrange, Lorain County, Ohio

      In the 80’s I worked at a Bank in LaGrange Ohio (Central Lorain County) and I saw a few Amish horse & buggies come thru the town.

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    Vicki McDonald
    Comment on The Amish of Ashland and Medina County, Ohio (May 19th, 2011 at 07:47)

    My cousin married a young man with the last name Swartzentruber. His parents left the Amish when he was a child. I believe he said they were from somewhere in OH, although he gave a big geopgraphical area. Closer to Interstate 70 I think. My cousin’s husband works as a chef and can make the best pies!

    Vicki (Who just drove through New Wilmington and Volant in PA yesterday. The area is beautiful and the horses were being playful in the fields. Fun to watch!)

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    Alice Aber
    Comment on The Amish of Ashland and Medina County, Ohio (May 19th, 2011 at 10:13)

    Thanks for the article and pictures Erik. As always, awesome job!!

    Sorry I have been so hit and miss lately. Been very, very busy and online time seems to be more and more limited.

    Blessings, Alice

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    Robin Miller
    Comment on The Amish of Ashland and Medina County, Ohio (May 19th, 2011 at 10:55)

    Very interesting! I have some friends in Medina and I will forward on! Thanks Erik!!

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    Comment on The Amish of Ashland and Medina County, Ohio (May 19th, 2011 at 11:08)

    I’ve said it before a few times and I’ll say it again, “Plain Secrets” is an EXCELLENT book. Joe Mackall is writing from an Englisher’s perspective, but I didn’t think that he romanticized the Swartzentruber Amish way of life nor did he bash the way of life. He just wrote about what it is like to live next to a Swartzentruber Amish family and be friends with them.

    Your pictures are beautiful as always Erik! Nothing says ‘farm’ to me like a big ole’ red barn:-)


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      Jay Snyder
      Comment on Not a fan of Mackell's book. (February 21st, 2012 at 18:58)

      Not a fan of Mackell's book.

      It might be a decent read, but shame on him for writing it when the family, and I know them well enough, did not want him to. But they wouldn’t tell him no. He knew. Typical self-serving English move.

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    Alice Mary
    Comment on Is this coming through? (May 19th, 2011 at 11:20)

    Is this coming through?

    I’m always very interested in hearing about Geauga County Amish, as I have a “pen pal” (we’ve never met—been writing since 7th-8th grade) in Bedford, OH, and she often visits the Amish settlements in the area (how lucky she is, if only for the fresh eggs and produce). How interesting about the Swartzentruber Amish being somewhat looked down upon by other Amish…we’re all human, to be sure.

    I am wondering why I don’t see my posts anymore (I’ve written a few, lately, and I’ve even tried signing up again, but I’m told I’m ALREADY “signed up”!) I also don’t see the windmill in the Amish America heading at the top of the page. Maybe I should “clear out” my email files…don’t know if that would improve things, but I’ll give it a try.

    Alice Mary

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    Comment on The Amish of Ashland and Medina County, Ohio (May 19th, 2011 at 12:43)

    Swartzentruber’s are definitely looked down upon by other Amish. The group I was with was not Swart., but we were not far from it. We did not look down upon them, we just did not agree with them on a few issues. As long as those issues are not in focus, we got along great. Indeed, several Swartzentrubers drove their buggies over to my friend’s farm, and we raised a barn Wednesday. I noticed that several of the Swart. disappeared right after dinner. Most of the heavy lifting was done by then, anyways. I expect some of them had to get their smoking in and they knew not to do that in front of us.

    While I was Amish I experienced some of the ways low Amish are seen by higher orders. In one incident, I had not yet stopped driving my pickup and was in a larger, higher community of Amish on my way home to Northern Indiana. I was in a Amish general store, wearing Amish clothing, buying a pop to keep me awake while driving, when a young woman asked which Amish community I was from, when I told her, she immediately turn her back to me and stood there. I got the severely cold shoulder, you might say. In another incident, a New Order man spent long time in the bus station trying to get me to change to New Order, even following me right up to boarding the bus. He was pointing out all of the things he saw as wrong with low orders and how his was a better way. This was one of the few times I have ever seen any Amish try to convert someone from one type to another.

    For a large set of Amish picture albums, try this link http://eightlake.smugmug.com/Ohio-Amish Down towards the bottom of the list is a set of Swartzentruber pictures along with some explanations of how higher orders Amish see the Swartzentrubers, what makes them different, their rules, etc.

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    Comment on The Amish of Ashland and Medina County, Ohio (May 19th, 2011 at 12:49)

    While I was Amish, we refered to these Swartzentrubers as the Lodi Amish. Ashland meant the grey SMV sign using Amish. This article is the first time I have heard of the Swartaentrubers refered to by the county name, so I was rather confused who these people are for most the article.

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    Comment on Lodi Amish (May 19th, 2011 at 15:23)

    Lodi Amish

    Lance you are right they are often referred to as Lodi Amish–that’s actually how I first heard them described.

    Ashland and Medina seemed a better description in some ways–unless I missed something Lodi seemed to be at best on the edge of this community. But thanks for mentioning that, I may need to stick a reference at the top that this is the Lodi group. In fact I just did that. Thanks for sharing more from your experience by the way. It is always interesting to read your posts.

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    Comment on Logo and emails (May 19th, 2011 at 15:24)

    Logo and emails

    Alice Mary the logo is down just temporarily for “maintenance”, but I’m glad someone noticed 🙂 Should be back soon. I am also going to look into the subscription service, I am sorry you haven’t been getting the emails. For the time being if you drop by here Monday through Friday you should expect to see a new post each day, usually by 7 AM Eastern Time.

    Unfortunately, I’ve found Feedburner, the email subscription provider, to be a bit patchy in its level of service. I may need to look into switching.

  • Brian, thanks on Lorain county, was not aware. Wish I had more time in this settlement but I plan to be back this summer.

    Hi Alice, busy sure isn’t bad–sounds like business is kicking into gear! Always glad to hear from you of course.

    Vicki New Wilmington is on my summer list too, hope you had a good drive through 🙂 Robin, Christina, many thanks. And Christina on the photos I think there may be a “10 views of Ashland/Medina” post in the works so stay tuned!

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    Comment on The Amish of Ashland and Medina County, Ohio (May 19th, 2011 at 21:13)

    What a thorough report! I didn’t know about this group, but I’m glad I know now, very well done. When are you going to comment on rather its more correct to call Ontario, Canada’s horse and buggy areas Mennonite Country or Amish Country? I’m waiting anxiously 😉

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    marie b
    Comment on canada mennonite country (May 20th, 2011 at 21:12)

    canada mennonite country

    Hello, I’m just responding to slightly-handled order man, and yes, it is consider mennonite country. Even though there are amish in the st. Jacobs Ontario area, there are many mennonite in this area, as well.. I was just down there Mother’s day weekend, and its very beautiful, and something to experience. I think I doing the amish/menonnite tour this year. I have been to St. Jacobs, twice since the Maple syrup festival in Elmira, this past March, and it was fun. I was in Holmes county for Easter. Very wet, but still had a great time. My brother and I just came back today, from Clare, Michigan, and attended the Yoder farm sale. That was the best, there was loads of people selling everything (300+ booths). They have this sale twice a year, next one before Labor day. If you get a chance, go..and in August I will be in Shipshewana before Labor day weekend, I can’t wait to go. I’m touring these areas and having the best time ever. Following this site, you learn about new places to explore. Probably back to Holmes county for Thanksgiving, and now I can explore more of Ashland and Medina county. Thanks Erik for a wonderful site.
    Marie Windsor Ontario Canada

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    Comment on The Amish of Ashland and Medina County, Ohio (May 21st, 2011 at 08:36)

    I was just in the St. Jacob’s ON area too back in March. Unfortunately, it was a Sunday so I didn’t have an opportunity to visit any farms that would have been selling syrup! I got a few buggy sign photos (open buggies too)! Unfortunatly I was a luddite on this trip and it’s on old school film. When I get my scanner running I’ll email them to Eric.

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    Alice Mary
    Comment on Appreciate the photos! (May 21st, 2011 at 12:00)

    Appreciate the photos!

    Lance, your post was quite interesting, and I did take time to look at some of the photos you referred to on the link you included. I’ll go back for more! Thank you for including it!

    The “bathing once a week” tradition isn’t just Lodi Amish-related! When I was growing up, I remember taking a bath on Saturday night (just doing a “sponge bath” the rest of the week, as a kid). It was still part of our Polish-American (poor, I guess) tradition. It makes me squirm nowadays! (Eeeuww!) Although, if you’re not “social”, does it really matter? Still, I’m so thankful for hot running water!

    Marie, Lindsay, and anyone else who frequents ANY Amish/Mennonite territory, I’m looking forward to your photos, too. It’s not likely I’ll ever get to those places, so photos are the next best thing to being there.

    Erik, I’m back up and running, and see my last post WAS “posted”. I don’t know what the problem was, but I’m glad it’s “fixed”. Looking forward to the return of the logo (I guess I’m just graphically inclined!)

    Alice Mary

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    Comment on Rub-a-dub-dub (May 21st, 2011 at 20:46)


    Do you want to hear something truly gross sounding? No, well, I’ll tell you anyway. People, so I am told, used to bath in accordance with the Seasons. Have a bath in the Spring, when it gets to be summer, sometime in the winter. That goes well beyond monthly or weekly baths.
    The thing that we don’t think about however is that if people only bathed once a season, they did do some periodic cleaning every so often, a sponge bath for instance, or a dip in a creek or something, but a full on bath used to be rare. Makes one consider, with great glee, why the perfume industry developed and prospered, eh!

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      Comment on regarding baths (January 14th, 2017 at 18:00)

      regarding baths

      Even though taking baths was a lot less frequent than today, people were healthier…
      Apparently, our oils in our skins have a protective quality about them.
      Not to mention that the soaps used did not have a lot of nasty chemicals, like parabens (that cause cancer), etc.
      Perhaps our ancestors knew a thing or two…

      Bathing once a week was rather common until about the 80’s, and some still maintain that schedule (amongst the general population), even today.

      They didn’t have to ‘supplement’ their hair with additives since the natural oils would do that without damaging the hair.

      How often did Native Americans bath prior to the invasion of european peoples? Perhaps being overly clean is not necessarily good for one’s health… something to consider, since America- with all its ‘modern medicine’ has some of the worst health issues worldwide…

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    Comment on The Amish of Ashland and Medina County, Ohio (May 22nd, 2011 at 08:50)

    Alice Mary if I remember right you’re in Chicagoland area? In the loop there is a Rise N’ Roll store about Clark and Monroe run by the Amish selling everything from jam to fresh baked goods to meats and cheeses. The store workers are young Amish women who I have to say are just awesome people. The prices are a bit high IMHO, but it’s nice to be able to buy a shoo fly pie in the loop!

  • Alice Mary, glad to hear it got posted–sometimes it might not show up immediately as it might have to refresh.

    And the logo is returning soon, yes, I too am graphically inclined. On that note I’m going to try a few more graphical tweaks to maybe get a little more color/imagery around here (I recall some of the advice from when I first launched the new logo 🙂 )

    Lindsay, I’ll be looking forward to any shots you send!

    You mentioned Rise ‘n’ Roll, here is that post from a few months back if anyone is interested: http://amishamerica.com/amish-apple-butter-gourmet/

  • Shom on Amish v. Mennonite Country looks like Marie b is on top of this one. The Menno pop is pretty substantial there from what I understand, still haven’t had the chance to mosey over to Canada for a visit (yet) 😉

    And Marie, thank you for sharing what you know too–that’s one of the big positives and things I’m grateful for on Amish America–a lot of folks taking the time to share a bit about their experiences, which definitely makes it a better site.

    So thanks to you and everyone else who has shared here (and to anyone just reading but maybe would like to dive in–you are more than welcome to a voice in this little community too 🙂 )

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    Comment on Rare baths (May 22nd, 2011 at 12:08)

    Rare baths

    And Shom, that was pretty gross, I had braced myself for worse though. Just makes me glad to have been born in an era with hot H20 and plumbing 😉

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    Valerie McMaster
    Comment on I love and live by this community (May 27th, 2011 at 17:16)

    I love and live by this community

    I only come on this site once in awhile, but I enjoyed your article. I live in Medina County and this group of Amish mix very well with the English, mainly because of the Amish Produce Auction that runs several months a year. It is good for their business, to be open to relationship to an extent, with the English-It is a VERY sucessful produce auction and probably is a great blessing of God’s provision for them. I have met some Swartzentrubers here, on side of rode too, selling their baskets/pies/bakery and have enjoyed really, nice conversation with them. Also exhanced correspondence with couple of the women I met in fabric store-and they were not avoiding, my company-so for the most part, this would be an extremely interesting stop for a visitor, this produce auction is phenomenally spectauclar to view-the many, many wagon loads of produce,plants, etc that are auctioned off-is incredible to watch how it all works-MANY grocers, nursuries, organic markets, come to bid on their produce, some of which is organic! A favorite pastime of mine, to attend! Thanks for the article, come and see for ourself if in the area!

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    Alice Mary
    Comment on Amish Goods in "Chicagoland" (May 29th, 2011 at 12:05)

    Amish Goods in "Chicagoland"

    Lindsay & Erik,

    I didn’t know about the Rise ‘n’ Roll store in Chicago. I don’t get there very often (once every couple of years—just too hard to take the train, or find parking—expensive, too—)but I’ll definitely try to make it to the store next time I’m there. I wish they’d come to our area. We’re just starting a farmer’s market, but it’ll be on Sunday, so there won’t be any Amish selling their wares! Phooey!

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    Comment on Blog email subscribers (May 29th, 2011 at 14:50)

    Blog email subscribers

    Alice Mary, just wanted to ask if you are still having issues receiving the blog subscriber emails from Feedburner.

    I checked your email on the master list at Feedburner, and it says you have an “active” subscription, which puzzled me since you said you aren’t receiving them.

    In theory, you should be getting the emails…I’ve heard that sometimes they might get filed in the junk or spam email box, have you had a chance to check those?

    Anyone else that may be subscribed and isn’t getting the emails, I’d recommend trying that, and let me know if you find anything. The sender should be listed as “Amish America”.

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    Comment on Furniture by the Lodi Amish (June 24th, 2011 at 17:54)

    Furniture by the Lodi Amish

    Hello! We live by the “Lodi Amish, and have a good relationship with them.I wonder if folk’s realize that they make really beautiful and well crafted furniture in this area.It would be a shame not to mention this fact. We have quite a few piece’s of there furniture,and the quality is great.Also there are numerous cabinet shops in this area as well.They are good neighbors and we are glad to live here Thank’s!

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    Comment on The Amish of Ashland and Medina County, Ohio (July 29th, 2012 at 14:44)

    We lived in the southermost point of Lorain Co. for 7 years, and in greater Lorain Co. our entire lives. I’m not aware of any Amish living IN the county, though they are directly across the border in Medina Co., beginning in significant numbers about Black River School Rd.

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    John Burns
    Comment on Info For Sarah Hershberger, Cancer Victim (September 4th, 2013 at 19:58)

    Info For Sarah Hershberger, Cancer Victim

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    Blessings To You All
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    UMOJA Research
    Los Angeles

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    Dee Yoder
    Comment on Old Order In Ashland Area (January 25th, 2014 at 21:00)

    Old Order In Ashland Area

    In our area of northern Richland County, Ohio, there is a group of Horse and Buggy Mennonites, too. Also, many of the Ashland Amish that live near the town of Ashland consider themselves to be Old Order.

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      Comment on The Amish of Ashland and Medina County, Ohio (January 27th, 2014 at 10:44)

      Thanks Dee. Lot of plain communities in that area, isn’t there. The Ashland area community you are referring to may be this one http://amishamerica.com/10-views-ashland-county-ohio/

      I visited the Mennonite community near Shiloh once with an Amish friend, we stopped by a large store there. Drawing a blank on the name.

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    Alejandro Ramírez
    Comment on Wishing to visit and know an Amish community-- (April 13th, 2017 at 23:27)

    Wishing to visit and know an Amish community--

    Hello dear sirs: I´d like to know the requirements of the Ammish commumity for a man who wants to live happy. Well. I am Christian, 56 , no children, heterosexual, single, wanting to live a peaceful life within a God´s pointed habitat. No matter the work be hard, I have a good phisical complection. I studied business and civil engineering. Good knowledge of the bible and a good behavor. Id like to marrie a good Amish women who loves God.

    So, would you please write me about it?

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    John J. Keim
    Comment on Amish in Ashland (September 12th, 2018 at 13:27)

    Amish in Ashland

    I grew up Amish in the Ashland community back in the 1950’s and 60’s. I left in 1969. I went in the military two years later. After I got out of the military I moved to Texas. I never went back home until about 20 years later. Then just once, because to my parents I wasn’t their son anymore because I left the Amish.

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