5 Insights From Illinois Amishman Reuben Mast

Reuben and Wilma Mast belong to a New Order Amish church in Ava, Illinois. They live with their 10 children on a farm in this settlement of three church districts.

Isaac Smith of The Southern Illinoisan visited the Mast farm on several occasions this spring and summer. His article shares extensive comments from Reuben on Amish life and beliefs.

We also get some nice photos of the family at work with their produce. You’ll  see the Masts are okay with the camera taking candid shots.

This is not the first time we’ve seen the Ava settlement on the site. Longer-time readers might recall Don Burke’s look at the Ava Amish about five years back. You can view his photos of the settlement, and from inside a local jams-and-jellies business, here.

I’ve pulled some of the more interesting things Reuben Mast shares in the article – both about Amish in general, and specifically the Ava community.

5 Insights on the Amish from Reuben Mast

1. Ava is an “electric” New Order community. They are among the few horse-and-buggy Amish settlements which permit public electricity. Reuben explains why:

The belief, for example, that Amish don’t use electricity because it is deemed a sin by God misses the mark, he said. Mast explained that, traditionally, homes would be powered by gas generators or lit with oil lamps. But some communities, like the one in Ava, do not turn away from attaching themselves to the grid — and it’s about cost. Electricity is cheaper than gas and with it comes a freedom from things like the need to clean mold constantly in the summer, one of the pitfalls of not having air conditioning.

One justification for Amish not having public electricity is that it helps to prevent the temptation which would come with an easy power source. With outlets in every wall, it could invite televisions, computers, and other electronic gadgets the Amish don’t want around.

Reuben acknowledges this:

He said, for example, that it would be very easy to plug in an electric radio and connect oneself to the “English” world.

Mast told The Southern that much of their way of life comes down to avoiding such temptation. Their abstinence from things like cars and worldly music is not because of its outright sinfulness, but rather an attempt to protect themselves from falling off of what they see as their mandate from God to live a simple life.

For these Amish, electricity is acceptable. The justification given here is practicality. It’s cheaper to be on the grid and homes are also easier to maintain.

But how does it work in practice – do off-limits electronics end up finding their way into electric New Order homes, or are they vigilant against these temptations? No answer is given here.

2. Becoming Amish as an outsider is possible but difficult. New Order Amish have been known to be among the more “seeker-friendly” Amish groups. Still, becoming Amish is uncommon:

Not an evangelical people, Mast said the church is open to outsiders converting but he admitted that this could pose an incredible hardship.

“It’s not impossible,” Mast said. “It takes a lot of giving up, I would say, or a changing of thought pattern.”

He said he’s seen some do it, but many who try hang it up before becoming full members of the church. There’s more than just learning to the ways of the church, there’s also learning the ways of the community, something he said would be hard for someone not born into it.

Our friend Mark Curtis is one example of someone who joined and has remained in the faith. Mark was baptized and joined the New Order community at Belle Center, Ohio, over 15 years ago.

3. Amish Christianity isn’t a “blind faith.” Amish have faith in God but know they must use their abilities and gifts to survive and prosper:

“You can’t sit on the porch and pray that the Lord will take care of the weeds in the field,” he said. Indeed there is very little idle about the Mast family — the casualness many might have in working through their chores doesn’t appear to be there for them.

When Mast asks his children to get a box for produce, the request is met with a sprint. The same goes for him. Mast runs from job to job — time is not wasted.

This idea of trusting in God but using the skills he gave them goes for farming as well as personal health. Hard work and knowledge are the gifts given by God and should be used to work through problems.

This idea fits how we tend to think of the Amish. While you may occasionally come across more “laid-back” Amish families and communities, Amish people tend to be industrious and seek to use their talents well in this world.

4. Rumspringa is “possibly the biggest misconception.” Like Indiana Amishman John Gingerich, Reuben comes out strongly against Rumspringa mythology:

This is traditionally the time of choosing to join the faith for Amish youth. However, in popular culture, this had led to images of rampant sex and drug use, as well as adopting other worldly ways. It is also widely believed that these are accepted by the parents.

Mast said this is decidedly false.

“Why would we want to expose our children to fire and hope they don’t get burned,” he said.

Mast said he was not implying some youth don’t experiment with any or all of these things, but said it’s not the norm and neither is parents going along with it.

Among the Amish, the New Order churches tend to be known for emphasizing clean living and morality. I’m not surprised Reuben brings up Rumspringa here.

5. Despite being among the most “accessible” of Amish groups, this New Order community was not welcomed by all. This settlement’s first family moved to Ava from Union Grove, NC, in the early 1990s. The Mast family arrived four years ago.

The early settlers weren’t universally welcomed, and some of that sentiment remains today:

Unlike the Arthur community further north, the new community had to convince the locals. Mast said some just didn’t take to the new neighbors.

For some this was the horse manure on the roads. For others he said it was just seeing someone different.

“Some of the people just weren’t too fond of having Amish people here,” Mast said.

There are still some who are not as accepting — the slow-moving vehicles and questions about a balance of enforcing child restraint laws cause some to be resentful.

We tend to think of conflicts between Amish and English locals emerging in the plainer and more insular communities. But Ava shows that even the New Order Amish encounter friction.

Yet Reuben says that “we feel connection to our non-Amish friends,” and “wouldn’t say that it’s hard to interact with the outside people.” He explains that they do maintain borders, but “just because we dress different … that shouldn’t really make it so we can’t get along with people.”

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    1. Keith M Lucy

      Original Home Area

      I’m originally from this area, now live in Colorado. The Amish community was not in our area at the time. When visiting back there, I have heard some grumblings, but being Conservative Mennonite, I think the complaints were “muffled’ a bit. Glad they are there!

      1. Interesting Keith – do you mean the grumblings were muffled since as a Conservative Mennonite, the grumblers feared they might offend you?

        I was a bit surprised that there was (and still is to some extent) friction between these Amish and local English, considering that they are not exactly say a Swartzentruber or plain Swiss church, for example, whose ways (no SMV) or demeanor you’d expect to conflict more sharply with non-Amish than the generally more-open-to-outsiders New Order people.

        1. Keith M Lucy


          It has been subtle mostly, only a few times was someone speaking directly to me about being Mennonite, that was negative. I think enough people are polite enough to just not say anything. Mostly it has been positive or no comments. That has been here in Colorado. back there it was my cousin in- law who complained about them. I think it is because they were in competition with him- construction. Either way, it’s fine. I forgive them.

          1. Thanks Keith for the reply, was just curious…from one perspective as to how closely non-Anabaptist people might view you as compared to the Amish. Sounds like you have a good attitude about it.

    2. C.J.

      Amish/Conservative Menno

      Interesting Article ~ So what mainly is the difference between Old Order & New Order?
      Also, wish Keith Lucy would comment on differences between his church vs. O.Order and/or New Order. Would love to hear more exploring the core differences of these 3, such as rumspringa, shunning, bible study & public acceptance of Christ, rather than just “joining the Amish church,” through baptism.
      There are many kinds of Mennonites, same as Baptists, Methodists and so on. Here in the Pacific Northwest, many Mennos are hard to tell from other Protestant churches as far as appearance, beliefs, dress, divorce, church doctrine and/or rules that they may or may not follow. Over the past 40 years or so, MUCH has changed. Within the last 10 years…. MUCH more has fallen beside the way!!! NOT all good. The Bible says Christians are to “To set apart, and “Fishers of Men” ….. Where do You stand?

      1. Set apart

        Do you “set apart”? Set apart from whom?

    3. Keith M Lucy


      The difference in our fellowship and the OOA is one of rules as opposed to relationship to Jesus. Old Order Amish have believers in some communities, although i would say more so in new Order Amish. We do have standards we are to follow, for example the head covering, but it is more flexible than Amish coverings. Also, we do not require suspenders, but no pants for women. most technology is fine, but no TV. It seems a bit inconsistent but filters are available for internet. We do not place total authority in the bishop, rather in the Bible. (We have two ordained pastors). we do not observe rumspringa, that is strictly Amish, and it varies within each community. Another difference is we believe in a personal relationship with Jesus giving us a promise of eternal life, unless we choose to leave the faith behind. The Amish can only hope they will be in heaven, but have to do certain things (works) and then may on have a hope. That is a big difference. Again ,not all Amish believe this way. Some understand salvation by faith through grace and not by works. This is a little insight, i hope that helps.

    4. Leslie Kendall

      Living Amish

      I have a pretty good understanding of the different groups as my best friend is German Baptist. I met a few Amish at ‘church’ when they were traveling through our area.
      But now my friend has moved to MN and I to ID.
      I live as closely to the way the Amish do as I can.
      My issue is the transportation restrictions. If you can believe this, a person is required by law to pick up the horse’s manure in the road. As if. 🙂