11 responses to Assurance of salvation-a thorny issue
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    Dave Carrig
    Comment on Assurance of salvation-a thorny issue (July 29th, 2007 at 09:56)

    I share Abe and Anna’s convictions – and am astonished that they are maintaining the amish lifestyle despite the bann being imposed. I’m sure it is in hope that they can convince their church family that assurance of salvation is the gosple truth according to the Bible.

    All anyone needs to do is open their Bibles and read for themselves. For some reason this has been discouraged throughout the ages – and continues today. Apparantly Abe and Anna decided to read for themselves… Truly a wonderful thing to see – this made my day!

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    Comment on Assurance of salvation-a thorny issue (July 29th, 2007 at 11:25)

    How long will this family be shunned for? As long as they promote assurance?

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    Comment on Assurance of salvation-a thorny issue (July 29th, 2007 at 14:12)

    What an interesting story. I admire Abe and Anna for thinking for themselves and sticking to their convictions in spite of the social consequences. It seems that they are not bitter toward the others. This belief is what Christianity is about.

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    Comment on Assurance of salvation-a thorny issue (July 29th, 2007 at 19:05)

    so..could thay join the menninites? dont they have this belief?

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    Comment on Assurance of salvation-a thorny issue (August 2nd, 2007 at 17:16)

    well I opened my Bible, and read it, and I never shared this conviction. This is presumptuous, self-rightuousness, pride, and spiritually dangerous. The Gospel is full of warnings about backsliding…
    Neither Amish or Conservative Mennonites have this belief abour assurance of salvation. Maybe the New Order Amish have it though…

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    Comment on Assurance of salvation-a thorny issue (August 3rd, 2007 at 08:57)

    Salvation does not come from faith alone, we must live just, Christ- like lives of peace, love and brotherhood to all people.

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    Comment on Returning to Amish church after shunning for assurance of salvation (August 4th, 2007 at 20:42)

    Returning to Amish church after shunning for assurance of salvation

    As for Amish re-joining the church after being placed in the Bann for assurance beliefs, as stevenson asks above, they would probably need to confess before the church and show that they have revoked this belief. I actually don’t know how ‘hard’ they are being shunned. The other Amish that I talked to about them did not have the reaction of “oh, you shouldn’t talk to those people” that I’ve come across in other communities when speaking of shunned members. I’ve seen situations in Illinois and Ohio where people have been shunned hard and it seemed a lot more painful and bitter and severe than in this case.

    Ruth, you are right–I really did not sense much bitterness while talking with Abe.

    Erika and Emma I am not sure exactly where the New Order Amish stand on the issue…assurance of salvation has popped up historically as a divisive point among the Amish as it seems to be doing today…when I am back in Ohio I will ask some of my New Order friends about it, I am curious myself and do not know the answer offhand.

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    Comment on Assurance of salvation-a thorny issue (October 11th, 2007 at 07:09)

    I grew in the Old Order Amish communities in MN and WI and I was taught that there is no such thing as assurance of salvation. All we can do is live the Christ-like lives of peace, love, and brotherhood to all people (as Adam said) and hope God will find us worthy of Heaven when we die.

    It is a well known fact that when an Amish person starts really reading the Bible, he/she is well on their way out. Obviously, when you start talking to others about it you are shunned.

    Abe & Anna will be shunned as long as they stand to their conviction.

    As for the difference in how strict the shunning is for them….that depends on each community. Some are more strict than others so that is why the differences. I am being shunned today but my family and community is allowed to talk to me. Actually they are encouraged to talk in hopes to convince me to come back.

    The moment I decided that I did not have to be Amish to find salvation, my life started to change for the better and my faith in God is much greater today than it was when I was Old Order Amish.

    My thoughts with gratitude,

    Author, Inspirational Speaker, & Coach

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    Comment on Reading Bible leads Amish away from church? (October 12th, 2007 at 14:47)

    Reading Bible leads Amish away from church?

    Hi Anna,

    I am happy for you that you have found peace regarding your faith.

    Since you grew up Amish, it is very interesting to hear an insider’s point of view on the blog here.

    I’m curious, what did you mean about when an Amish person starts reading the Bible they are well on their way out? I’d heard that sentiment expressed before when talking about the Amish.

    I’m also curious, where would you place the communities you grew up in on the spectrum–on the strict side regarding Ordnung and discipline? Or closer to ‘average’ (whatever that term means)? I had just heard that many Minnesota and Wisconsin communities were a bit more strict than say Elkhart County or Arthur, Illinois. Also, former Wisconsin Amish I’d met in other settlements consistently seemed to lean to the conservative side. Thanks for taking the time to respond!

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    Comment on Assurance of salvation-a thorny issue (August 26th, 2008 at 16:33)

    Jesus said ” I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father but by Me” from the Bible in the book of John. NO ONE GETS TO HEAVEN BASED ON GOOD ACTS ALONE. YOU ONLY GET TO HEAVEN BY ACCEPTING CHRIST’S SACRIFICE AT THE CROSS– TROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS!!!

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    Comment on Assurance of salvation-a thorny issue (November 20th, 2008 at 17:30)

    Salvation is not by works, but by the grace of God. The Bible is full of assurances of salvation. I admire the Amish for their simple lifestyle and I am fascinated by it, but I feel sorry for the ones who believe in works.

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