25 responses to Amish children and spanking
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    Comment on Amish children and spanking (November 25th, 2012 at 19:02)

    Christ never told us not to spank our children? You do understand that Chrust and the Father are one correct? “Spare the rod and spoil the child” also the Bible says that he who spares the rod of correction HATES his son. God disciplines us (sometimes harshly) all the time.

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      Comment on Response to Stephanie: Use of the Rod (November 29th, 2012 at 20:11)

      Response to Stephanie: Use of the Rod

      With sheepherders centuries ago, rods were used to GUIDE the sheep, not hit them. This is what is meant in the Bible: Spare the rod (don’t guide or teach [meaning discipline]) and you would hate your child.

      Again, discipline does not have to be physical; there are many other ways. I see a multitude of primary caretakers who do not even give non-violence a try, or if they do, they will attempt it a few times & then go back to the old ways of hitting in one form or another. Hitting merely teaches hitting. I remember this one mother who was spanking her child all the while telling him “I’ll teach you not to hit your brother!”

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        Comment on The Rod in Hebrew (July 22nd, 2018 at 17:06)

        The Rod in Hebrew

        Hello. I am a native Hebrew speaker. With that said, I can say that the “rod” mentioned in those verses is obviously referring to something more akin to the American “switch” than the shepherds staff. The former, being referred to in those verses, was usually comprised of a thin olive shoot that grows almost perfectly straight from the roots of an older olive tree. Usually, these are pruned every couple of years, or they threaten to interfere with the parent tree from which they are sprung. This, of course, doesn’t mean that modern day parents should switch their kids, but I am a “stickler” (no pun intended) for precision when we translate other languages. Secondly, I agree with the person who rejected the dichotomy that too many Christians make between the “loving” God of the New Testament, versus the “strict” “vengeful” God of the Hebrew Bible (the Christian “Old Testament). Even the name “Old Testament” conveys the idea of the supersession of the one by the other. This would be a foreign idea to Jesus own listeners, for the the Hebrew Bible was the their only Bible…the “New” not being completed until nearly 50-60 years later.

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    Eweguyz R. Dumm
    Comment on Amish children and spanking (November 28th, 2012 at 13:53)

    So, how many of you using your interpretation of The Bible to justify using physical force on your child wear blended fabrics (i.e. cotton/poly blends etc.) or how many of you eat seafood. Both of these actions are abominations. It’s funny how you pick and chose which passages to follow. How convenient. You spankers will pay for what you’ve done one day. I understand that some of you who have been spanked claim to be thankful for the way you were treated. Some of you feel it was what was right at the time & it was for the best. This is a function of your brain to protect and rationalize the abusive actions of your parents. It is very common.

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      Comment on Amish children and spanking (November 28th, 2012 at 14:37)

      “Eweguyz”, leaving the meat of this discussion beside for a moment, either have the courage to attach your real name to your comments, or save the “clever” screen name for another site. Lame.

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    Comment on The Ends Justifies the Means? (November 28th, 2012 at 16:54)

    The Ends Justifies the Means?

    Marlene – Are you kidding me? ‘The ends justifies the means?’ – so if your husband decides to kick you down the stairs, to stop you being ‘cheeky’ to him, or to merely hit you to show you that what you are doing is dangerous – that will be ok ???

    Every family IS different. Every CHILD is different. Every adult is different. NONE of them need to be hit or should be hit to help them learn to grow into great and gentle adults.

    Iain – children not doing something because of fear of the spanking or of the parent is NOT a good thing on many grounds. Mainly because you don’t learn WHY you shouldn’t do a thing, or should do a thing when you are hit, you only learn to avoid being hit. ie you get more sneaky and never learn the real reasons behind being kind, gentle, caring etc. Now – you look around today – and see where you are. You see children running riotous – now as most children in the USA ie 92% today ARE still spanked, it blows the ‘parents today are too frightened to spank and it’s so obvious in the way the children behave’ ideas out the window.

    Here in Europe I do NOT see children running wild, I have lived here for three years now and the only children screaming in the supermarket and shopping mall had fallen …… THREE times in three years doesn’t seem to be a lot of screaming to me. Children are polite, kind, generous as are their parents. If you GIVE your love and gentleness to the children and treat them with respect they will use you as a model and give you respect back. You don’t deserve it just for being older than them.

    Parenting actually involves BEING there for your children. Not ignoring them, when home, because you are ‘too tired’. Not palming them off onto grandparents every weekend, or allowing them to go out into the streets to play when they are too young and do not understand how to keep safe. Parenting takes time and energy. That is what parenting is about. It’s about unconditional love – and teaching them how the world works and how they have to act within it.

    You shouldn’t be hitting a child and then cuddling it etc. Talk about mixed messages! Your love shouldn’t be conditional, and hitting a child and then hugging it teaches it that ‘love hurts’ – and is normal. Do you REALLY want to teach this to your little daughter – and then find that she thought that when her husband beat her he was really ‘loving’ her ?? Or teach your son that the way to deal with women or children is to hit them rather than help them ??

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    Comment on Amish children and spanking (April 10th, 2013 at 13:52)

    Jesus only used violence once when he wanted to clean the temple and he never used any violence against humans and never beat anybody to taught the true way of life and he told us to follow him so that is enough for me to understand that beating a child in any way and any purpose is never what Jesus taught us to do.

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    Comment on ok (December 10th, 2013 at 20:59)


    im Abigail and im 16. I thought when I was a child, that I wanted to be the parent that never spanked their kid. now I realize that’s wrong. the bible says you should. that makes it a fact.

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      Comment on Sorry but the Bible says NO such thing ! (December 11th, 2013 at 10:14)

      Sorry but the Bible says NO such thing !

      Dear Abigail – Have you actually read the words where Christ tells us to spank/hit our children ?? No? Then I will tell you that he never DOES ever .. not EVER. He died for all of our sins – not just adults – he died so we could be saved and live in grace. Again – not just for adults – for ALL of us. He warns us of hurting children, telling us that it would be better for us to have a millstone around our necks and be thrown into the ocean if we do hurt them, or cause them to be angry or stumble [ loose faith ]. Now .. being hit causes most of us to be angry and for a lot more of us sadly it causes us to loose our faith too in a loving Father in heaven.

      Christ told us that the ‘Golden Rule’ is to love God with all our heart, and then to love / treat one another as we would want to be treated. Now .. I don’t know about you – but I for one don’t want to be hit, and don’t expect to be hit either. I don’t hit other adults when they irritate me, or do the wrong thing, or I want something different. I either ignore their behaviour, or talk about it with them. Just as I would a child. There is NEVER a ‘right’ reason to hit a child or anyone else except in self defence or defence of another.

      If you have been told/read about ‘the rod’ – you should know this. It means either a shepherds rod/crook – and they didn’t hit sheep with it, they fought off the prey with it and hitting anyone with that would have cause SERIOUS damage or death. OR … it is the Rod of the Law – which is a whole lot of ‘paperwork’ basically of laws that we should learn and follow. It is explaining how it is right to teach our children right from wrong and about these laws – it’s NOT telling us to hit children.

      Please go and read your Bible again, and search hard for Christ’s words about how to spank children – and believe me you won’t find them because they aren’t there! He told his disciples off and told them to ‘Suffer the little children to come unto me!’ – he didn’t say … oh and by the way .. spank those ones in the corner because they have been naughty today !!!!

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        Comment on it is found in proverbs (December 11th, 2013 at 21:27)

        it is found in proverbs

        i am not going to argue with you. this will be my last comment.he who spareth the rod of diceplene hateth his child.

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          Comment on Discipline (December 12th, 2013 at 09:31)


          “He who spareth the rod of discipline hateth his child” I agree totally with you Abigail. Only the words do NOT mean hitting. The word ‘discipline’ means to teach not to hit. It’s where the word DISCIPLE comes from. ‘to disciple’ = to teach. This quote means that we are irresponsible if we don’t teach our children the ways of right and wrong etc. As I said before, the Rod of Discipline is ‘the law’.

          “1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? Lk. 22.24
          2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
          3 and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mk. 10.15 · Lk. 18.17
          4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
          5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.”

          If God thinks children are so ‘bad/evil’ whatever – why would Christ tell us we have to BE like a child ??

          “6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

          What do YOU think Christ was saying here ?? He’s telling us NOT to hurt a child, not to make them lose faith … and hitting them WILL do both of those things.

          “10 ¶ Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.”

          Yet another warning by Christ against despising/hating/ hurting a child …

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    Comment on Let's be real (July 26th, 2014 at 12:33)

    Let's be real

    First of all, lets get religion out of the conversation, men wrote the bible, not God. It’s just another book. Second: When a child does something wrong a parent needs to teach why it was wrong. If that teaching needs reinforcing for repeat actions a spanking might be in order. They hurt, they are supposed to hurt. If you do it again it is going to hurt you. Easy, logical. Do nothing and let the school take care of it by having your kid arrested for fighting, get a record for assault and destroy their life. Your decision. To many parents are just to busy keeping up with the Jones today to be parents and are always looking for the easy way out. With latch key, day care, camps, and parental obligations for employment and social life it is no wonder they have no idea of how their kid is being raised. Take care of your obligations and you wont be finding so much time to nose into that of another.

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      Jacqueline Schmidt
      Comment on No Reason For It! (July 26th, 2014 at 17:05)

      No Reason For It!

      @ Pete: And you cannot figure out ANY other way to discipline a child without putting your hands on them? So you take the easy way out & hit them? There’s no reason for that. I’ve raised, assisted in raising, & taken care of many, many children all without ever laying a hand on them. They’ve responded just beautifully without spanking. I have no problem teaching them what’s right & what’s wrong.

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      Comment on Amish children and spanking (July 26th, 2014 at 19:24)

      By all means Pete, let’s keep the bible out of it. Let’s get real as you say. Let’s look into the fact that hitting is hitting no matter how old you are ~ 80 or 8 yrs old. It doesn’t teach a thing except a lot of things you really do not wish to teach a child. I presume you know that when you are being hurt, or in fear of being hurt ie spanked, you don’t learn anything, you don’t retain anything, you are in FEAR and that blocks everything out except the pain and the fear…. and the hate too.

      I agree, that if you do nothing ie no discipline then yes, children will not be able to grow up knowing right from wrong. However, discipline means to teach and not to hit. Most criminals in jail WERE spanked. Over 92% of all children in the USA today are spanked regularly. Seems like a whole lot of children are going to be growing up and going to jail, and may well be why America has the highest level of prisoners % wise in the world. If you don’t respect a child, do not expect it back. You don’t get it just be being over the age of majority, you have to earn it and give it and demonstrate it. Many adults do not deserve to be respected. I lost the love, respect and trust of my parents from the first time they hit me. I don’t respect or love … or more importantly trust anyone who hits me.

      If you cannot teach a child how to live, right from wrong, and how to be kind and gentle without BEING kind and gentle then you need to find the gentle parenting sites …. No one deserves to be hit ever. Unless in defence of yourself or of another. If you aren’t prepared to learn about age related behaviour, how to treat children with respect and love and gentleness, then I hope you never are allowed near them. They deserve much more than being hit.

      I have raised my own children who have children now of their own. All gentle, kind and a joy to be around. None of them ever hit and all of them knowing that hitting is wrong.

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        Jacqueline Schmidt
        Comment on @ TealRose (July 26th, 2014 at 19:40)

        @ TealRose

        Your comments are always right on, TealRose. They are always so refreshing & such a joy to read. Please keep commenting!

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      Tina Rogers
      Comment on Spanking children (July 4th, 2017 at 13:18)

      Spanking children

      I am a pediatric nurse & have lots of experience with children. 99 percent of the time if adults will pay attention to and praise children for good behavior and ignore negative behavior, the child will almost always exhibit good behavior, have s high self esteem, do not bully others, & in fact take up for children being bullied. I believe the only time a child should be hit is a spat on the hand, to avoid danger(electric socket, etc.) Only because they are to young to understand why they shouldn’t plug cord in, etc. Catch them being good, even little things like playing well with sibling. Tell them how this is good. Just try it. It works.bettina6656

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        Jacqueline Schmidt
        Comment on I Agree, But....... (July 4th, 2017 at 18:26)

        I Agree, But.......

        @ Tina Rogers:

        I agree with you, except on one point: One need not hit a child for things such as avoiding danger. As I mentioned previously, I raised, fostered, and was involved in childcare for many years. I am also a social psychologist.
        From my experience and my observations, one need only quickly pull back the child’s hand from, say, the electrical socket (which should be covered in one’s own home anyway) and then reinforced with a firm, “NO!, NO!” and/or “Ouchie!”, while placing one’s hand on the child’s hand along with an unpleasant face from the caregiver can work wonders. The child will learn that this is to be avoided.

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    Comment on Amish children and spanking (September 19th, 2014 at 08:50)

    For those commenters who are angry about having been spanked:
    if your parents are still living call and tell them how you feel,
    set up a session with a family mental health professional,
    work out your problems some place other than this site.

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      Jacqueline Schmidt
      Comment on @ Maria (September 19th, 2014 at 23:30)

      @ Maria

      Perhaps it’s because the parents or caretakers are no longer around, or they refuse to listen to the truth or they flat out deny it. Also, some of these people may not be able to afford counseling and they feel that it’s a safe place to vent. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. I posted my comments to educate. If I can save one child, it’s worth it to me.

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    Comment on @Maria (September 21st, 2014 at 07:36)



    I will be 60 next week. I am personally more hurt and sad that my parents hit me, than angry. But I AM angry to find out that many people think that hitting children is ‘right’ and ‘fine’ and that it’s Biblical ~ it isn’t. I am even angrier that some people are taking the Bible and hitting children in Christ’s name, when he actually never told us to do such a thing, that he warned us against hurting them, that he told us to become like little children to get into heaven, and that he died for us the sins of us all, not just adults, his Grace is for us all, not just for us adults. And like Jacqueline Smidt above, my comments are to explain how I felt as a child, and how I raised my own children without hitting, and …. how the Bible and Christ never ever tells us to hit children. They are to help others think again … and hopefully this will lead to children not having to go through the pain of being hit, or worse, spanked into submission and have their wills broken. (Whoever thought that children need to have their wills broken, obviously knows nothing about the love and forgiveness and grace of God.)

    Again .. one child saved and it will be worth to me too. If I can save more then I will be even happier.

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    Comment on Look at me (December 15th, 2014 at 01:03)

    Look at me

    I was spanked, hit and yelled at as a child. When I was 11 years old, I slapped my dad. He picked me up by the neck and threw me across the room in return. Would you like to hear about me and my life? I grew up to be a monster. As a teenager, I drank, did drugs, hit my parents when they hit me, and ended up sitting alone in a jail cell at age 22. I turned my life around after years of therapy. I still have anger issues and violent tendencies that I’m working on.

    My parents never explained to me why anything that I did was wrong. They just hit me. This made me angry. The anger built up over the years. As my parents’ violence escalated, so did mine. They thought that hitting me harder would break my spirit and make me behave. It didn’t. I went from being a normal child who stole a cookie or drew on walls with crayons to a violent sociopath who fantasized about killing about my parents to end the abuse.

    The best part? All of this started with one spanking at the age of 5. I wouldn’t stop crying and screaming that I hated him, so he kept hitting me harder. He only stopped because I bit his leg until it bled. Violence teaches violence. Reason teaches reason. Some people like me have violent tendencies and a spanking could awaken them.

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    Comment on education of children (May 14th, 2017 at 04:54)

    education of children

    I am thankful to all comments.
    I hope we can learn from each other.
    Proverbs are an expression of an ethnic’s tradition,
    in this case the “traditional law” or “customary law” of those ethnic groups somewhere…
    The ethnic groups may migrate; even to other continents.
    Someone told above that in modern Europe, generally they do not hit any more (there are few individual cases, though, as persons have individual experiences and approaches).
    The MODERN LAW and modern society have changed their approach from strict disciplining, to loving teaching.
    THE CHILDREN ARE GOOD, (self-)confident, prepared for their future, without fear and without psychic problems.

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    Molly Kuslikis
    Comment on Spanking not necessary (September 29th, 2017 at 14:23)

    Spanking not necessary

    I am a mother of three grown children. I never spanked them. I also have been a daycare provider for 30 years, raising many children in their youngest years.

    Being licensed I couldnt legally ever hit a child so I had to be clear with the rules, what would happen if you broke them and was very consistent with following through with this.

    Children need structure and boundaries. But most importantly, they need love and respect. I never had a problem.

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    Comment on RE: Spanking (March 8th, 2018 at 15:16)

    RE: Spanking

    When I was a kid, my parents spanked us with a belt, but ONLY as a last resort. I don’t recall it ever hurting, it just was the idea of it, crossing that line, that was what “corrected” us kids. I think that’s what’s really lacking these days, a sense of definite responses to a kid’s actions (boundaries). I think most Amish wouldn’t go too far with spanking – it’s just “old school” discipline.

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    Comment on On "Rod" in Hebrew, and Dividing Jesus from YHWH (July 22nd, 2018 at 17:09)

    On "Rod" in Hebrew, and Dividing Jesus from YHWH

    Hello. I am a native Hebrew speaker. With that said, I can say that the “rod” mentioned in those verses is obviously referring to something more akin to the American “switch” than the shepherds staff. The former, being referred to in those verses, was usually comprised of a thin olive shoot that grows almost perfectly straight from the roots of an older olive tree. Usually, these are pruned every couple of years, or they threaten to interfere with the parent tree from which they are sprung. This, of course, doesn’t mean that modern day parents should switch their kids, but I am a “stickler” (no pun intended) for precision when we translate other languages. Secondly, I agree with the person who rejected the dichotomy that too many Christians make between the “loving” God of the New Testament, versus the “strict” “vengeful” God of the Hebrew Bible (the Christian “Old Testament). Even the name “Old Testament” conveys the idea of the supersession of the one by the other. This would be a foreign idea to Jesus own listeners, for the the Hebrew Bible was the their only Bible…the “New” not being completed until nearly 50-60 years later. Any teaching against the unity of the deity, and all that that entails…especially, unity of character throughout the whole of the Bible, would be considered heresy by early Christians, all of whom were native Israeli Jews.

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