20 responses to An Amish bank for Lancaster County

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    An Amish bank for Lancaster County (January 9th, 2013 at 08:05)

    I LOVE the name. It’s got to be the only bank in the world with a name like that. So much better than boring names like Bank of America, Merchants’ Bank, First National Bank of Witchita, etc etc.

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    Roberta
    An Amish bank for Lancaster County (January 9th, 2013 at 08:21)

    We have a message therapist here called “Heart in Hand” so this bank would fit right in. Maybe our new coffee shop could be “Cup in Hand!” I already see Amish on horseback coming back from the diner with cup in hand.

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    Jo Sweatt
    An Amish bank for Lancaster County (January 9th, 2013 at 08:55)

    Kudos to the Amish for opening a new bank. It is extremely difficult to get a license to do so.

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    An Amish bank for Lancaster County (January 9th, 2013 at 10:39)

    I have had my fill with big national banks. A few years back I was taken by nickle and dime. That is why now I utilize a local bank. I too, like that name.

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    An Amish bank for Lancaster County (January 9th, 2013 at 10:44)

    Sorry for two consecutive post but I have a question. If this bank does have Amish investors, I wonder how they reconcile the issue with the FDIC, or perhaps it would not be an issue. I mean this in the manner of directly being connected to the US Government by having to provide a Federal insurance to the customers.

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      Amish bank insurance (January 10th, 2013 at 10:17)

      Amish bank insurance

      If I understand what you are asking I seriously doubt there could be an exemption from insurance participation that placed public customers at risk just due to the religious status or objections of the ownership. So I’d assume all insurance requirements would be fulfilled here unless there is another arrangement (note I am not well-versed in banking).

      Looking at it from the consumer side…funny, I hadn’t thought about this type of insurance before in an Amish context but you’d assume Amish bank customers like any other would benefit from deposit insurance just by having an account in a bank or credit union (which I understand are covered under a credit union-administered program). Have not heard any objections to that arrangement from Amish before and it’s safe to say near 100% of Amish households have at least a checking account.

      There are Amish-run trusts for Amish only that remain outside of Federal deposit insurance, but Bank of B-I-H sounds like a “regular bank” open to the public:

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124640811360577075.html

      The trust was established in 1993, and is similar to lending arrangements set up in other Amish communities. Only Amish people can join. The trust’s 2,100 depositors receive annual interest of 3.2%, while borrowers pay 3.5% interest on loans. There are no credit checks. Monthly mortgage payments can be no more than 33% of a borrower’s gross income.

      The trust’s structure reflects the Amish philosophy of sharing. It isn’t insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., but by its own bylaws it maintains at least $1 million in cash reserves. The trust has never exercised its authority to foreclose on a home.

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    it´s against the old Amish values (January 9th, 2013 at 12:37)

    it´s against the old Amish values

    The old Amish order is saying that the (Amish) believers should not give their money under the wings of worldly institutions. A Bank is “the” wordly institution par excellence, because it operates to make profit, and supports greediness und miserliness. The only real “Christian” loan is a loan without interest for an unlimited period of time.

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      Ed
      Not all banks exist to make a profit (January 10th, 2013 at 17:19)

      Not all banks exist to make a profit

      Hans, I understand the concerns about “worldliness”, but not all banks exist to make a profit. In America and Europe there’s a long tradition of mutually owned savings banks, savings & loan societies, and credit unions, none of which exist to make a profit.

      Looking outside the Christian community, the Jews have a tradition of Free Loan Societies that continue to this day, and there is also sharia-complaint Islamic banking which does not charge interest to participants yet still manages to finance homes.

      Of course, profitable corporate-owned banks seem to be quite successful and prolific as well.

      I find it interesting how many ways there are to provide a the same basic service – banking.

      Not all banks exist to make a profit

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    Naomi Wilson
    Biblical views on money lending (January 9th, 2013 at 17:45)

    Biblical views on money lending

    I wonder if they will charge their customers interest on loans? Scripture is pretty clear on this issue.

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    Darlene
    An Amish bank for Lancaster County (January 9th, 2013 at 19:43)

    It confused me a bit too, Eric! I am hopeful that Levi and his posse won’t give Elmer a hard time…I mean Levi DID say he was the bank…right??

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    Slightly-handled-Order-man
    Funny/Not funny, SHOM forgetting point, grasping (January 9th, 2013 at 21:00)

    Funny/Not funny, SHOM forgetting point, grasping

    [Serious question] Will they hire Amish tellers and clerks?

    [Joke statement] There has to be nothing worse than the potential of an Amish beginning a transaction speaking in dialect only to have an English woman decked out in plain wear (for example, it could be a man in the male equivalent) at the teller’s window only to be requested forcibly “What? Speak English! I’m not French.”

    You can see how that would be a disaster.

    [Serious statement, again, potential rumor spoiler, though] There is a European style food store that opened locally that had required successful candidates to be able to speak one of the languages of various countries represented in the store, representing their ethnic specific food. Interestingly they could not pull it off their own requirement and they began to hire people who are English only.

    If the market can bare it I suppose is what I’m driving at. [sorry, I got stuck at the end, and couldn’t find the right way to end it, still can’t].

    Funny/Not funny, SHOM forgetting point, grasping

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    Ed
    An Amish bank for Lancaster County (January 10th, 2013 at 17:09)

    This is great news, and very exciting. From what we’ve heard on this blog, there have been occasional financial charlatans preying on the Amish community (and once in a while the scammer is a fellow Amish). Having a regular bank might help the Amish have a safe place to keep their savings, and might help the entire community by financing local projects.

    It would be interesting to know a bit more about how the bank is legally structured. From what I understand, there are a lot of different ways a bank can be legally structured: state-chartered vs. federally-chartered, mutually-owned savings banks, credit unions, corporate ownership. I wonder if the founders’ Amish faith influenced how they chose to structure the bank, or if there were other considerations.

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    Art
    Would it be beneficial? (January 19th, 2013 at 01:29)

    Would it be beneficial?

    My take on the Lancaster bank would not
    make sense in the old order Amish, there is
    too many worldly things within the business
    side of bank.
    I believe in the old order ‘Ordung’, there again
    I would agree; there is a serious world greed
    that go against this by all means. The love
    and greed of this bird in the hand bank will
    open the Amish to follow more modernized
    Technology: such as going to a regular doctor,
    to drive a car, accept electricity, do I need to
    go any further?
    I believe old order because the English
    will have thier 2 cents involved in all decision
    making regard the Lankaster bank.
    Wunderbar icht miche mauken Kline sie
    Sonderspiele kaput, nichte meire!
    good luck Lancaster Bank bird in hand.
    Art

    Would it be beneficial?

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      Ed
      An Amish bank for Lancaster County (January 21st, 2013 at 07:48)

      Art, I’m curious, how many of Old Order Amish would you say use a bank now? And for those who don’t, how do they handle their money — keep savings under a mattress and pay cash for everything?

      Your point on money inspiring greed is well taken. But in terms of hte ordnung, would patronizing a bank that uses electricity and computers be any different than patronizing a store which does the same?

      I would think that a bank would be a safe place to keep money, and that for some large trasactions, like buying a house or farm, using a bank is almost essential – I can’t imagine someone lugging around bales of cash to pay $500,000 for a farm, for instance.

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        Art
        Ed, some very good points made (January 21st, 2013 at 12:48)

        Ed, some very good points made

        Dear Ed,
        Sorry to take so long to answer and you talked
        about some good point. I do perfectly understand
        about a bank for the Amish would help a great
        deal, I was only looking out for the best interest
        for all Amish/Mennonites; I respect them a great
        deal! I now have a serious issue with my local
        Law enforcement where I live here in TN. I hope
        you understand my concerns were for very good
        Intentions.
        I’m considering to move to Lancaster, PA because
        local laws are not only protecting the Amish here,
        I have a friend who is “English” he tells me;
        They are doing the same thing to the “English”
        This comes to a serious disappointment as you
        Know we don’t like to get involved with Law Enforcement?
        I recently had my property vandalized by someone
        and I just enquired by a friend whom works
        in local police: he tells me nothing I can do,
        Also I almost got run over retrieving my mail
        in small residential community that has a speed limit
        Of 35; they were going over 55 mph, I even had
        A witness, the law friend says I can’t do anything?
        It sad these days people can’t live in peace?
        So, my point is this: if best interests exsists for
        Amish to get a bank, then Im all in for that and,
        As long as its strictly run by Amish. I just wanted
        to shed light on my best interests?

        Wish much success for Bird In Hand Bank
        Best regards,
        Art
        amabeejr@gmail.com

        Ed, some very good points made

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