22 responses to Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents since 2003
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    Comment on Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents since 2003 (December 6th, 2013 at 06:47)

    Traffic accidents are always a sad thing, but motor vehicle/buggy are upsetting. I have talked to many Amish in Western New York who merely say that “It is God’s way.” I don’t know what the solution is.
    Have as wonderful weekend.
    Tom The Backroads Traveller

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    Nancy
    Comment on Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents since 2003 (December 6th, 2013 at 07:08)

    Living in the country, I’m always mindful of what may be just over the hill when driving… especially during planting and harvest seasons. Although I do not live near any Amish communities… I would imagine this to be a heart-wrenching situation for all involved.

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    Al in Ky
    Comment on Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents since 2003 (December 6th, 2013 at 07:23)

    I’m interested in learning more about the causes of these buggy accidents. Is there any way you can get more details about these statistics, Erik? The chart says the source is the Ohio State University Knowledge Bank. I tried to search for more information on the internet, but wasn’t successful in finding anything.

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      Comment on Buggy accident causes (December 6th, 2013 at 07:50)

      Buggy accident causes

      Al here is an article by Cory Anderson about causative factors of these crashes. Online you can sometimes find good articles on Amish topics using Google Scholar.

      https://dizzyg.library.vcu.edu/handle/10156/2336

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        Gina
        Comment on traditional amish community (December 8th, 2013 at 19:06)

        traditional amish community

        Dear Erik,

        you look very familiar with amish communities. Could you please help me to find a traditional one? Traditional means for me no BMW in the garage and no generators in the barn. My friend from Europe would like to contact them by mail (of course traditional ones don’t have e-mails), because he is looking for his amish roots. I’m planning to go to New Wilmington to find them. Do you have any better suggestion?

        Thank you for your help.

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    lincolnlady1121@yahoo.com
    Comment on Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents (December 6th, 2013 at 08:42)

    Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents

    People are in such a hurry these days behind the wheel. I was following a buggy waiting until the opposite lane cleared so I could pass. The car behind me couldn’t wait, but didn’t see the buggy ahead of me. He passed me and almost pulled in where the buggy was. He did make it around the buggy without hitting it. Where he did this the road was solid lines on both lanes with cars coming in the opposite direction. You wonder about people driving on the roads sometimes.

    Marilyn

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      Comment on Why the rush? (December 6th, 2013 at 09:13)

      Why the rush?

      Indeed you do, Marilyn. Why are people so anxious to “save” a few seconds by taking foolish chances? No Amish buggies around here in suburban Washington, DC, but some people take stupid chances every day, causing fender benders and worse.

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    Christine T
    Comment on Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents since 2003 (December 6th, 2013 at 09:10)

    What I would said about the cars’ and trucks’ driving habits would not be very Christian like I am afraid, hehe. I live in a very high traffic area – metro NYC.

    Life in general moves way too fast anymore. People in a hurry to go no where. People beating people up over discount TVs instead of spending time with their family enjoying a bountiful meal. People hurrying by an injured woman who has fallen on the ice and can not get up (my own personal story there – me being the injured. Thank God for the marines who can and helped me up and got me to my car safe). People being lazy and selfish – backing up a drive through line into traffic instead of just parking quick and going in the store .they would rather make other people late just so they can get their darn coffee. People who let their kids run amuck and face injury or abduction while they sit and text or talk on their cell phone because that phone call just cant wait.

    Sorry if I sound kinda angry. Todays commute got my dander up for sure! (Plus I havent had my coffee this morning! :) )

    • Christine, I hate to say I can relate :) Plenty of good people in the city, but at the same time the environment of large cities probably encourages some of the behaviors you describe. Might be one reason Amish don’t want to live in cities.

      Although visiting NYC for a day last year was a thrill. I’m guess the Amish family that was on the train back to Lancaster with me enjoyed their visit as well.

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        Christine T
        Comment on Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents since 2003 (December 9th, 2013 at 10:28)

        Well if you come this way again, let me know. We’ll have a family picnic/fishing day at the park and pretend we arent in the city!

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    Tom Geist
    Comment on Another site for buggy accidents (December 6th, 2013 at 10:36)

    Another site for buggy accidents

    I came across this site that tracks buggy accidents from all over. Maybe you can find some benefit from it.

    http://www.mapministry.org/news-and-testimonies/buggy-accidents

    Tom Geist LincNebr@hotmail.com

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      garrett
      Comment on Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents since 2003 (December 8th, 2013 at 14:24)

      well Tom if you ever driven at night you would know that light in your eyes can blind you, the same goes for horses

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        Tom Geist
        Comment on Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents since 2003 (December 8th, 2013 at 17:00)

        Hey Garrett,

        You were talking (I thought) about turning off your lights when you pass a buggy. I assumed, maybe wrongfully so, that you meant “passing” as in overtake a buggy going in the same direction as you are going. In that case the lights are not in the horses eyes directly. Also many horses are fitted with ‘blinders’ to help keep things out of the sides of their eyes that might distract them.

        I understand your thoughtful motivation in turning off the lights. I will have to ask my Amish friends what they would prefer.

        Tom LincNebr@hotmail.com

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          Comment on Keep the lights on (December 9th, 2013 at 07:34)

          Keep the lights on

          And if you meant when passing in the direction *of* the horse, I definitely wouldn’t be turning of my lights.

          Turn off the brights yes, but they have to see where you are, and are used to lights from road traffic.

          Generally, I don’t think it is a good idea to turn off headlights in any nighttime situation on the road. No telling what else is just ahead.

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    Alice Mary
    Comment on Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents since 2003 (December 6th, 2013 at 12:22)

    Tom, thanks for that link. Just reading about a few of the reported accidents gets my BP up! It’s especially infuriating when I learn about people using their “smart phone” while they’re driving. Too bad people can’t be tested (as being “smart enough” to use them appropriately).

    The photos are awful reminders of the difference between Amish (slow-moving) and English (moving at warp speed). God help us all!

    Alice Mary

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    Linda
    Comment on Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents since 2003 (December 6th, 2013 at 12:32)

    Thanks for your article, Erik.

    How do these numbers compare with other crash statistics, like motorcycles, or bicycles, or car with car in the general society population?

    I do like the buggy lanes on the road shoulders that are available in some communities.

    • Good question, not sure if it was rhetorical but sounds like a proper answer would require a good bit of checking and/or research :)

      FWIW, here is something I came across in a Wikipedia article:

      According to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), in 2006, 13.10 cars out of 100,000 ended up in fatal crashes. The rate for motorcycles is 72.34 per 100,000 registered motorcycles.[1] Motorcycles also have a higher fatality rate per unit of distance travelled when compared with automobiles. Per vehicle mile traveled, motorcyclists’ risk of a fatal crash is 35 times greater than a passenger car.[1]

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety#Accident_rates

    • Fatalities slightly higher in buggy/car accidents

      Here’s another stat from a recent article on the topic:

      An Ohio Department of Transportation review found that injuries occurred in roughly half of those accidents, with fatalities in about 1 percent of them, a rate that is slightly higher than accidents in which both vehicles are motorized.

      That review also revealed that the typical accident involving a horse and buggy occurs when a motorist rear-ends the buggy after misjudging just how slow the horse-drawn vehicle is traveling.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/07/us-usa-amish-crashes-idUSBRE9B605G20131207

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    Matt from CT
    Comment on Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents since 2003 (December 6th, 2013 at 16:51)

    Self driving cars can’t come too soon, because no matter how much the ‘puters screw up it will be a fraction of what humans do.

    I’m 43, and I think I’ll live to see human-operated vehicles at least prohibited from limited access highways (like Interstates) where you’d see an enormous increase in capacity and reduction in accidents by all the cars operating cooperatively.

    It’s not uncommon in luxury cars already to have “adaptive cruise control” where the cars adjust their speed automatically to maintain a self following distance when in cruise control.

    The self driving cars will also have both radar and infrared camera systems which will allow them to “see” at night and in fog a letter better than people do.

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    garrett
    Comment on why cant they be courteous? (December 7th, 2013 at 21:44)

    why cant they be courteous?

    I was driving in Middlebury one evening and my passenger asked me, Why did I always shut my lights off when passing a buggy from behind? I said common curtosey and she said you give a lot of respect to the Amish. I treat people like they treat people, if everyone thought like that we would be in a better place

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      Tom Geist
      Comment on Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents since 2003 (December 8th, 2013 at 01:45)

      Shut your lights off? I am not sure what good that does.

      Having the lights on alerts oncoming drivers, that you might not be aware of, or people walking or riding a bike on either side of the road. Your lights illuminate not only your path but that of the Amish people as well.

      It makes sense to dim your lights and not drive too fast as you pass the buggy. In fact when I am headed the opposite way on a two lane road I slow down before I get up to the buggy as not to spook them… and of course wave. =)

      Tom in Lincoln LincNebr@hotmail.com

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    City Slicker
    Comment on Need More Information (December 9th, 2013 at 13:48)

    Need More Information

    The Post-Gazette article is incomplete at best. Their graphic makes reference to “six serious horse-and-buggy crashes in recent months”, and rolls that into the figure of “Over 600 Pennsylvania Buggy Accidents since 2003” without breaking down how many of the larger number were considered “serious” accidents.

    What criteria determines a “serious” accident? Is it death and/or personal injury, dollar damages, or a combination thereof?

    Did all of the “Over 600 PA Buggy Accidents” involve a buggy and a motor vehicle? Were any of them two buggy collisions?

    What about single vehicle accidents, where e.g. a spirited or spooked horse ran away and flipped the buggy — or a buggy had a structural failure of some sort, or was driven into a roadside ditch, or an occupant fell from a moving buggy (I’ve seen teenagers standing on the backs of moving buggies).

    From most accounts and the studies referenced in the article, the majority of “serious” buggy-motor vehicle accidents seem to involve the buggy being rear-ended by the motor vehicle.
    The bottom line is that everyone on the road, whatever vehicle they operate, has to pay attention and realize that they share — NOT own — the road

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