Eddie Swartzentruber’s False Claims
So if you’re not into “social media drama”, just skip this post. I don’t plan to make a habit of covering things from Facebook, but I need to address this here.
You might remember a post I did in August about Eddie Swartzentruber’s TikTok channel (“Swartzentruber Amish-Raised Man Shares The Bad Sides Of His Amish Life“). Eddie responded on Facebook, making some false claims about me. Several weeks ago I decided to post a rebuttal (detailed below).
I don’t seek this kind of drama. But it was important to me to do so, because he claimed something that goes against what I stand for – that I shut down his ability to communicate.
Eddie made his claims on Facebook, so here’s what I wrote in response there:
So I’d rather discuss other topics, but I have to correct the record on one thing.
A few weeks ago, I did a website post about Eddie Swartzentruber’s TikTok channel and then shared it on Facebook.
The post was a mix of positive (I wrote that Eddie is likable, I enjoy his videos & found value in them) and critical (on some of the content/presentation). I thought it was reasonable and relatively mild. You can be the judge.
Eddie apparently tried to reply to me on my FB post, but for some reason couldn’t. He then did a post on his own page claiming that I banned him and blocked his comments (I didn’t). There are some other accusations that I don’t quite understand, but you can find it here.
Others saw the claims in his post, and ran with it.
I wrote Eddie several times explaining that I never banned him. I don’t know why his comments didn’t appear on my FB post. Maybe something in the content? I don’t know. I don’t run Facebook.
I also offered to Eddie that if he really couldn’t reply to my post, then I’d be glad to share his unedited comments either on my FB page, website, or both. I wrote to him several times, and didn’t get much response back.
The main thing here is I want to correct the false impression that was created by Eddie’s FB post. I didn’t ban or block Eddie in any way. Criticism of me or my ideas is fine. It’s been that way for 15+ years now that I’ve been writing about the Amish.
In fact, there are plenty of critical comments on the FB post I did on Eddie’s videos. I don’t care, I leave them up.
Either way I wish Eddie the best. The offer still stands, if he’d like to reply to what I wrote, I’ll share it as a guest post on either or both channels. Otherwise I think that covers it Erik
Final thoughts
Since I posted the text above (September 7th), Eddie seems to have just ignored it. It looks like he’s not going to take up my offer to share his unedited comments. That’s his prerogative. But I’m not really surprised.
Why am I “making a deal” out of this? Only because Eddie attempted to damage my reputation publicly. And did nothing to correct it, despite my repeated outreach to him. My reputation – especially concerning allowing open discourse on my platforms – is important to me.
After some thought, I believe that this was probably Eddie’s first encounter with mild criticism on public social media. And I now suspect that his story that he couldn’t comment on my post was false (I have changed my mind on that and no longer give him the benefit of the doubt).
Why? For one, his inaction. The narrative that I “blocked” him is also easy for people to run with on Facebook. It gets instant attention. He knows a crowd will jump in to support him. It’s easier and more satisfying than actually engaging any criticisms. I guess it’s how a lot of social media works.
Eddie also made some strange conspiracy-style suggestions that I was aligned with and being paid by Amish church leaders, which is truly head-scratching. But that sort of claim would also have natural appeal to some in his audience.
I wish Eddie had simply responded to the points I brought up, without having to create a false social media drama. It could have been a worthwhile discussion, but it probably wouldn’t have gotten the same response from people.
One plus though: I do see in another recent article about his TikTok channel that he has now apparently been emphasizing some of my main points – that not all Amish groups are the same, and his personal experience doesn’t represent “all” 350,000 Amish people.
This point comes up in the article in the Star Tribune. For example, here’s a quote from a new video that it looks like he has made since our exchange:
Swartzentruber tries to emphasize that he isn’t speaking for all Amish, or even all ex-Amish. In one recent wry TikTok take, he shares how his family’s settlement, which is part of the ultraconservative Swartzentruber Amish, differs from those that follow more modern interpretations of the religion.
“Swartzentruber Amish — yeah, we’re only taking a bath once a week. The New Order Amish — yeah, they’re taking the baths multiple times a week,” he shrugs.
“Swartzentruber Amish — We don’t have short sleeve shirts. New Order Amish — yeah, they have short sleeve shirts. They’re just out there with their arms out in the wide open in the summertime.”
“Swartzentruber Amish. We don’t do underwear. New Order Amish — yeah, they’re wearing underwear.”
I think that’s good and would reflect what I was talking about in my original post. This may sound like me patting myself on the back, but that’s not really the point.
We could have gotten to the same place without all the additional baloney if Eddie had just been more responsible about his public claims. Eddie had many chances to clean it up, but didn’t. So I had to clean up Eddie’s mess here.
Anyway, if you made it this far, thanks for humoring me. Back to regular programming.
Good response
Erik — your response to Eddie was very reasonable, and I hope this brings closure from your point of view. Well done!
Thanks Joe. On the one hand addressing these things makes you feel silly, kind of like wrestling a hog.
On the other it is my rep, and a lot of people saw Eddie’s post, so I wanted to have this on record here on the site as well. All good.
Remember....
… when we allow ourselves to play a fool’s game by a fool’s rules we often lose simply because we’ve given him the home-field advantage.
Erik, those who know you don’t need the explanation — you’ve shown your character and integrity through the years and some cheap-shot accusations do not so quickly undermine those. Those who do not know you but are people who give an honest hearing to what is put before them, they will see the need to weigh out both sides, and not be swayed by the volume of the verbiage (on either side). Those who jump to conclusions without giving due consideration to both sides (which the Wise Man of old says is utter foolishness) — if they are that quick to choose sides today they will be just as quick to bail tomorrow, and too much effort is wasted in chasing down their fickle opinion from the get-go.
This guy can’t beat you on character, because I know you have it and it would seem he does not. But don’t let him beat you because he knows how to push your buttons.
With much respect….
Thanks Don. Well put. I have some practice ignoring stuff online 😉 But I don’t mind playing a fool’s game sometimes. As long as sth is to be gained.
Obviously I was annoyed (I think it’s OK to have your buttons pushed sometimes), but this clears the air for me.
I also wanted this up on the site for future reference.
The third plus is that I got a new idea or two for posts/videos on the general ex-Amish topic. Things I saw here fit with a trend.
Hopefully, those not interested in this business heeded the “skip this post” warning at the top:)
Thanks for your thoughts and wise words here.
Facebook not a good venue
Just casting my bread upon the waters. Facebook is not a good venue in many ways for communication and can ruin a business or an individual’s reputation as soon as the post is published. It allows no means of fair, open interchange of ideas and all of a sudden, dozens of other posters are involved, who out of ignorance or misdirected sentiments don’t add to a sense of balance or fairness. It’s a slander mechanism, in my opinion, and agitates and angers more than anything else.
I’ve wasted much time dealing with Facebook and how it’s structured and it’s censorship. After doing a little research, I discovered Facebook is a front to gather info/intelligence on its users. I’ve removed myself from all social media and shut down my cell phone quite awhile ago. TikTok, from what I understand, is owned by the Chinese. Just saying. We all need to use our time and thoughts well and ask what information we are giving about ourselves and to whom. No kid just out of Harvard had the millions to front the development of Facebook…That’s all I have to say.
Important, interesting intelligent information
Hey there ! I receive your Amish in my inbox all the time, and I try to check out each one. I find the information you deliver very satisfying. I have Amish friends in the city next to mine, and I like to compare what you post to what I know about them. I have never read anything you have written that I found negative, or that you have shut down so to speak. You invite comments, you’re respectful, and you’re informative. Keep up the good work! I also want to tell you that I thought your reply to Eddie was totally respectful as well, and seeing that, should have proven that you are in fact an honest and upfront guy!
As for social media, it has gotten so negative, and full of backbiting, that my Church no longer uses it. My husband has always said, “FB is a way for people to hide behind their computers and landblast others.” Well, it is hard to disagree with that when we see it happening right before our very eyes…
Querries
First I was confused he had any picture and social media is so a mess in general! Easy to miss stuff have trouble responding or get frustrated.
I was in northern INDIANA recently and saw a rather fancy shirt…I would have like. It was a great color and and appeared to have trim..and a collar? So confused , thanks R2