37 responses to Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade?
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    Kathy Rowe
    Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade? (November 3rd, 2010 at 17:16)

    If an Amish child goes to the public school, does the child quit after 8th grade or do they continue on through 12th grade?

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    Dennis Daryl Shamblin
    Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade? (November 12th, 2010 at 01:22)

    Please read my website

  • Hi Kathy, that is a good question, sorry I was a tad slow to respond–no they would actually finish with the 8th grade and not go on to high school, just like their counterparts attending Amish parochial or private schools.

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    Mona Greer
    Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade? (December 9th, 2010 at 15:25)

    Don’t they want to become more than just homemakers and farmers ? If one of the kids after the 8th grade wanted to further their education and go to a public High School, would their parents let them ?

    • Don’t they want to become more than just homemakers and farmers ?

      Don’t they want to become more than just homemakers and farmers ?
      what’s more important than raising children and providing food for nourishment? is trading stocks more important? is selling mortgages more important? is playing professional ball more important? is being a movie star more important? is being a divorce lawyer more important? is being an abortion doctor more important? is making and selling things we don’t need more important?

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        Schwartz
        Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade? (October 5th, 2013 at 22:19)

        Over 95% of businesses started by Amish are successful compared to less than 50% started by ( English)

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          Tom Geist
          Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade? (October 5th, 2013 at 22:38)

          Good for the Amish, I enjoy their business’s!

          But let’s think about it, what are you referring to as an Amish business and what constitutes successes? Being in busy for X number of years?

          My first thought was that many Amish business’s do not have the overhead that English business’s have. If they sell things out of their home versus a brick and mortar store front you save a ton. If you have your kids work for free you don’t have to worry about paying minimum wage or other employee costs that English have.
          Of course not all Amish business’s can operate out of a home but enough can that it can skew the numbers to indicate they were more ‘successful.’

          I think that there is also something to be said about a niche business.

          Tom…. Lincoln Nebraska

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        Kristina
        Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade? (February 13th, 2014 at 21:29)

        Spot on Lou! Your wisdom is refreshing!

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    Ed
    Do any Non-Amish attend Amish schools? (June 2nd, 2011 at 11:20)

    Do any Non-Amish attend Amish schools?

    Do “english” parents ever send their children to an Amish school? Would a non-Amish child be allowed in? There are probably some “English” parents who would appreciate the curriculum or setting of an Amish school.

    “Similar to their approach to technology, they make use of what is necessary of education, and leave behind that which they deem unnecessary or potentially harmful.”

    Reminds me of what Mark Twain said, “Don’t let your schooling interfere with your education.”

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    Daniel Posner
    A question that must have been asked before. (June 17th, 2011 at 20:50)

    A question that must have been asked before.

    I’m assuming that these comments are moderated, and as a result I have little hope that this particular comment will be accepted and receive a response. I can (broadly) understand why – it is your website, and you have every right to control the view points expressed within it.

    However, my curiosity is getting the better of me. Whilst I (perhaps incorrectly) assume that you, Mr. Wesner, are not Amish, you certainly seem to agree with their view points – your website presents a relatively uncritical view of a lifestyle and belief system that is considered well outside the mainstream by the majority of not just Americans, but first worlders as a whole.

    My question is simply: if we can assume that the Amish are as inherently logical and as rational as any other human being, how can they not see the implicit contradiction in an uneducated population arguing against education? If none of the community have been educated beyond the 8th grade, how do they consider themselves equipped to judge the worth of that education? In any non-Amish community, an individual with only a grade 8 education would be considered as, to put it frankly, uneducated. Perhaps you can explain to me how the Amish justify their belief that proper, decent adult education is irrelevant without (apparently) any member of the community having received it?

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      Sara denHollander
      Amish High School (September 2nd, 2011 at 15:09)

      Amish High School

      I am not Amish and I have grade 12 education. I do not agree with our government making us stay in school past grade 8. I truly feel it is a complete waste of time. I have never used any of my high school knowledge as a home maker. I was a supervisor in a fast food chain. Again grade 12 is not needed. What is needed is well learned reading, writing and arithmetic. It’s really sad to see the education system going backwards. We are not as intelligent as we used to be. People are getting dumber as time goes on. Too much focus is on using calculators and computers. The Amish have it right. They use their minds and live basic. After all isn’t that all we need? We only need food, clothing, shelter and the Bible. The rest is foolishness. Too bad our government can’t understand that.

      Our parents and great parents were far better in school with the grade 6 or 8 they had. Look at the houses they built. Today the homes will not last nearly as long as those by our fore fathers. They knew how to build, crop and raise kids. I wish we were all Amish. There is a lot we can learn from them.

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        Jen
        Amish high school (November 7th, 2011 at 10:50)

        Amish high school

        I also feel high school is a waste of time for some. However I also believe most 8th graders are not mature enough to make a life decision like that. I too was a home maker for 15 years. I now own my own cafe and am using a lot of my so called waste of time high school education. Homes today are different from when our parents and grandparents grew up. But let’s face it everything changes. Conveniences like calculators, computers, cars, furnaces for heating our homes and electric weren’t always around and if we all lived the Amish life they would still not be here today. Spend time living the Amish life I bet you wouldn’t last a week!

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      Constance
      Non-Materialistic. (November 27th, 2011 at 12:16)

      Non-Materialistic.

      One phrase “NON-Materialistic”.

      Personally, as an educated business professional with rampant CANCER and SMOG all around us and increasing in alarming rates, I visit an Amish Community for a much needed “dose of reality” and to find PEACE within myself.

      Did you know that the Amish grow the best tomatoes, eggs, chickens, berries in furtile UN-PESTICED soil? Raise the healthiest horses, cows, chickens, and other animals? Work HARD everyday and LOVE UNCONDITIONALLY? They don’t need hydro to bake delicious natural bread, soups, fine pastris and butter? They are highly educated past grade 8 through MUCH common-sense and are SELF SUPPORTIVE. They easily find work building houses, baking, selling produce, working on farms BECAUSE THEY WORK HARD and DO A GREAT JOB TOO – without being asked – BECAUSE its the RIGHT THING TO DO (Honesty) !!

      Our “high-tech” world is KILLING US!

      Did you know that they take care of their ELDERS? Until Death! YES… they don’t stick them in an old age home with people they have never seen their entire life. They simply build a small addition to their home to have a place of their very own and take care of them to the very END. I would LOVE to know someone was doing that for me! I fear Elder Abuse in our Nursing Homes… It know it exists!

      Education? – Take a visit into an Amish Community before you make an UN-EDUCATED comment. BUT leave your Pitty and Ignorance home; they should feel sorry for us. Amish fight hard to keep their FAMILY beliefs alive. LEARN their DIVORCE RATES.

      Make it a mission to take care of our LAND and the PEOPLE we love. Because YOU can’t take your WORLDLY BELONGINGS with you when you go.

      I Love EVERYTHING AMISH and I look forward to my regular visits to DESTRESS… Thank God for the AMISH.

      PS – I am NOT Amish or related to an Amish Family. I have raised my son and he is doing well in the Medical Field.

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        Jen
        Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade? (November 28th, 2011 at 13:10)

        Constance you seem very angry. I see you misunderstood my comment. You visit the Amish country? I live near Amish. They are my neighbors. I buy food from them weekly so I know the high quality produce and eggs and caned goods they offer.
        I visit with them know them personally and take them places when they need a ride. You and I depend on this high tech world and so do the Amish. If I could simply build an addition on to my apartment and take care of my parents when they need it I would. Its just not possible.
        There is no divorce because divorce is a sin. If a husband is abusing his wife it is hidden. Women endure much suffering from abusive husbands. If a wife goes to the elders and tells them she is being abused they tell her to honor her husband do as he says and then he won’t hit you anymore. Same goes for child abuse and molestation. They keep it hidden because it’s sinful.
        As for worldly belongs I have little. I don’t want belongings. Just like you I want unconditional love. My children parents and fiancée give all I need.
        I love living among Amish and calling many of them friend. That doesn’t mean we agree on everything. Still we love oneanother.

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          Constance
          Sorry Jen (November 28th, 2011 at 13:35)

          Sorry Jen

          I am so sorry Jenn. I thought I was responding to Daniel Posner’s response. Seems those caught up in the material world don’t take the time to learn about other Cultures. Some automatically think the Amish don’t know what is going on in the world, are poor and feel sorry for them. Of Course those of us like yourself know the happiness we feel knowing an Amish family.

          Warm Regards

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        mattie kerr
        its all a front (January 12th, 2013 at 17:46)

        its all a front

        I am involved with the amish community ,an they put up a good front.but dont be duped and decieved.they have learned from little children up just how to work the english people.and laugh behind your back when they can make a dollar off you .they teach it to their children.their children will teach it to theirs.and etc.and lots go on behind closed doors .if you only knew.by the way the children are brain washed and are begging to be set free from the ordnung.are control they want to be free to be indivigials.not clones.and to lead a more normal life.not hide under straw hats and bonnets.

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          Schwartz
          Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade? (October 5th, 2013 at 22:51)

          Aww. Do you know how pathetic you sound. If you want to be English. Go ahead but be grownup enough to not blame your family . Don’t care if you are Amish or English people have problems. Are all English people the same ??

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      Schwartz
      Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade? (October 5th, 2013 at 22:43)

      Wow ! That was a lot of big words . Did you ever build an apartment building designed by your college educated graduates. Looks good on a computer but it just do t work when you put it together. Common sense just isn’t to common.

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    Amanda Sutherland
    Higher education (December 5th, 2011 at 10:50)

    Higher education

    I was thinking that the Amish community would benefit from some Doctors,Nurses, or lawyers that understood their culture but also understood modern medication or law. I am sure these people are very intelligent.

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    mary
    i want higher education (January 25th, 2012 at 16:26)

    i want higher education

    Hi,im 16 years old and amish. Im not planning on staying amish. This fall im gona get my ged and later hope to go to college and get my bachelors degree in interior design. My parents know about this and their not happy about it but let me make my own choices. They wouldn’t support me financially when I go to college. Im a hard worker and have a minimum wage job. I would do everything online so I can work during the day. I would not get shunned because I didn’t get baptized in the amish faith. I could still live at home because of that. The reason im online is because im in my rummshpring. Does anyone have any advise how I could pay for college??

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      Jennifer
      For Mary (January 25th, 2012 at 16:38)

      For Mary

      If you are only 16 see if you can go to your area high school and graduate. It’s easier to get in to college and get a job if you do. High schools also have information to help you get financial aid grants and other ways to help you pay for school. If you are from Pennsylvania you can to go on line to the Pennsylvania higher education assistance agency. They can help you.

      I wish you the best

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      Tim
      How's it been, not being amish? (July 16th, 2013 at 08:05)

      How's it been, not being amish?

      I assume by now you have left the amish. Is it as good as you expected? How are you doing with your education?

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        Mary
        Education (August 29th, 2013 at 08:15)

        Education

        I have left the Amish not to long ago, So far it is as good as I expected. I love all the freedom that I now have. As far as education goes, I got my GED,I took a couple business classes. I’m working 2 part-time jobs doing bookkeeping and accounting. I changed my career path from interior design to business/accounting. I’m studying for my SAT test at the moment and hopefully this coming new year I will be attending college and working to obtain my bachelor’s degree. Do I wish I was able to go to high school? I have mixed feelings about that. While I’m a bit disadvantaged on the education side, What I do have is work experience and ethic, which I feel goes a long way.

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    kolfinna
    Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade? (February 15th, 2012 at 16:06)

    Mary, read the previous post to this one: http://amishamerica.com/emma-miller-amish-descendant-scholarship-fund/

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    Lisa
    Hmmm, interesting (March 16th, 2012 at 07:27)

    Hmmm, interesting

    well, I certainly love to learn. I am in highschool now, and find it very important. However, since I am not Amish, I have to find my place in the world which would probably require more than an eighth grade education. But if I was Amish then I wouldn’t need it because you don’t need Calculus and AP literature to farm or have your own business. I see this education rule as making sense because if you live in their culture there is no reason to need more education.

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    Ray Morris
    Reading, Math, Writing Skill compared to Outside schools (June 14th, 2012 at 16:32)

    Reading, Math, Writing Skill compared to Outside schools

    This is a sincere question. I’m just wondering how the education level of the Amish children compares to the ‘outside’ schools. Are the Amish over-all better at the three “R”s, equal or lower. I know many public school students that, after 12 years, still can’t read, write or add without a calculator. How does the Amish’ reading comprehension, etc., compare?

    Thanks you so much

    Ray

    • Amish schools performance vs. non-Amish schools

      Ray, that’s a good question. The problem is their is no cookie cutter “Amish” school. They really vary from the conservative schools which use archaic texts, to the much more modern classrooms which may have things like art class and frankly, better-trained and qualified teachers. I think generally Amish schools compare pretty favorably, though. If you’re really interested in this broad topic, check out Karen Johnson-Weiner’s Train Up a Child on Amish and Mennonite schools.

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    Sandy
    Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade? (July 14th, 2012 at 12:13)

    I have been associated with the Old Order Amish since childhood and my days as a New York City Freshair. I have continued my relationship with the community into my adulthood. I am a certified teacher and nurse and both have helped me when I am in the community. The Old Order amish students know their 3 R’s well and some are well into the caluclator system. There are numerous little shops where I go and they have the calculators (battery operated natually). The branch of the folks I go to are also known as Beachy Mennonite, a derivative of the Amish. Many of the grandparents and great grandparents were involved in the split back in 1927. Today their off springs are some of the most intelligent people that I know of. They are the most helpful and willing folks also, and don’t every relate to them as being uneducated as they know more than the average “English” person knows about their land, animals, crops, buildings and so forth. They know where and whom to seek in situations they are not fully understanding. If our public school would follow their agenda for classes our graduating seniors would know how to read and even know how to write cursive beside printing very clearly. The school rooms are neat and clean, the students are respectful to their teacher, even if she only has an 8th grade education. The teachers are chosen by the church leaders and they truly check them out, but once they are married, they can no longer teach especially if they have children. My folks are out of the Salisbury-Meyersdale Pa-Grantsville Md areas.

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    Mona G.
    Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade? (January 12th, 2013 at 18:30)

    I kinda believe Mattie Kerr has a point here……I still do not see anything wrong with getting a higher education……did you read Mary’s msg. she is Amish and wants a higher education….go for it Mary…..you sure can’t be a Lawyer, Doctor,Nurse,etc with just an
    8th. grade education…..

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      Schwartz
      Why do Amish only go to school until 8th grade? (October 5th, 2013 at 23:02)

      Their is nothing wrong with a higher education . Being a doctor or engineer. As far as them having a lower income. Most of the live better than you . And without goverment help even though they pay all the same taxes as you expect for social security

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    Molly
    How can they stop at 8th grade legally (January 17th, 2013 at 01:46)

    How can they stop at 8th grade legally

    I think it is wonderful to stop school whenever a child no longer wants to be there. But the laws in Pennsylvania I think, are to attend school until age 18. I know many parents (and kids) in Pennsylvania who don’t want to send their kids to school, and don’t want to answer to homeschool authorities. Is there a legal way to do this? Thanks!

    • Amish basis for school exemption

      There is a legal precedent established via the 1972 Supreme Court case of Wisconsin v. Yoder for this religiously-based exemption. If you are not a member of a religious group that this applies to I don’t know of any way to do this.

      http://www.wicourts.gov/courts/supreme/docs/famouscases18.pdf

      I’d also think it would be helpful for most people outside of these tightly defined religious communities, simply from an employment standpoint, to get a high school education or a GED equivalent.

      If your first sentence were a reality I would have never completed first grade.

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    Tom Geist
    Graduate Gifts? (April 10th, 2013 at 18:26)

    Graduate Gifts?

    I was invited to an 8th grade graduation for an Amish kid that works at an Amish store I go to every month or so. I am not sure what to expect. I asked him if other English people would be there and he said yes, some of them the drivers for those that could not make it otherwise.
    My main question is, do I bring a graduation gift of some sort for him, and if so, what? Does anyone have any experience with Amish graduations?

    Tom in Lincoln…. LincNebr@hotmail.com

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    sandy
    school (May 21st, 2013 at 11:11)

    school

    hey what school did you go to

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    Kaylee
    Amish SPast 8th Grade (August 18th, 2013 at 09:22)

    Amish SPast 8th Grade

    The Amish children go to the school up until 8th Grade because of the “teenage years” a.k.a. Rumspringa. It means that the teenager can do stuff that normally they wouldn’t be able to do like get a car. After Rumspringa is over, which usually happens until they are married, they continue on with their Amish lives. Sometimes before they are baptized into the church they decide they want t leave the Amish community. They are not shunned, so they can still have contact with their Amish Family.

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      Jen
      Please Kaylee are you serious? (August 18th, 2013 at 13:52)

      Please Kaylee are you serious?

      Rumspringa is not the reason Amish children only go to the grade. It is a time period that Amish children get to experience English life style and make a decision about weather or not hey want to be baptized into the Amish church.

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    Tiffany
    The Value of Higher Education (August 26th, 2013 at 13:26)

    The Value of Higher Education

    The education received in high school is really to prepare you for college; then after college if you decided to be a productive member of society in terms of engineering, business, manufacturing, automotive industry, etc, etc… then that high school and college education is used every single day. Most people are not able to see how trigonometry and calculus is used every day because most people do not become engineers, scientists, doctors, accountants, or any other high-level professional in society. You have to continue beyond high school to see the value of a high school education. If you desire to work in agriculture, or McDonald’s, then yes, 8th grade education will be well sufficient. Try designing a building or bridge with only an 8th grade education and you will see my point. (P.S. I have a bachelor’s degree in engineering and I’m working on my master’s).

    My next point is this: everyone is entitled to their own choices. If the Amish choose not to attend beyond the 8th grade, then they are also choosing not to contribute to society by becoming a higher-level working professional. They also make the choice to only live life at a certain level and not experience higher socioeconomic (which I believe is their point). That’s their choice; I respect it. My above comments were only to address those who are stating that they cannot see the point of a high-school education. There is another world beyond lower-level incomes, and obtaining higher education opens doors of opportunity that would not happen with only an 8th grade education.

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