29 responses to What Happens At An Amish Communion Service?
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    Al in Ky
    Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (October 5th, 2015 at 07:16)

    Thanks for this interesting description of an Amish communion service. I especially enjoyed your accounts of the individual minister’s sermons and differences in their styles. In recent issues of The Budget I am reading reports from various Amish districts about their fall council meetings and communion services being held at the present time.

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    Alice Mary
    Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (October 5th, 2015 at 11:20)

    Thank you, as usual, Rebecca. I know how special communion is to the Amish. Have you ever experienced Communion NOT being held, if all members are not in “good standing” with one another, and if so, what was the outcome?

    Your explanation of the general feeling of the congregation at the end of the day’s services reminds me of the feelings of relief and renewal I felt after my church’s occasional “retreats”.

    Thanks again!

    Alice Mary

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    Don Curtis
    Comment on Footwashing? (October 5th, 2015 at 12:54)

    Footwashing?

    I read this account to my son, Mark, who is Amish. He said that evrything is the same in communion for his ccmmunity except that after the bread and the wine they have the footwashing service.

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      Gisa
      Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (October 5th, 2015 at 15:07)

      Hello Don, I REALLY,REALY lOVE your comments! Glad to read from you again. With my best wishes and kind October greetings for you and your sun Mark.

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      Gisa
      Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (October 5th, 2015 at 15:11)

      Hello Don, I REALLY, REALY LOVE every of your comments! With my best wishes for you and Mark and kind greetings to both of you.

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    Comment on What Happens at Amish Communion? (October 5th, 2015 at 13:29)

    What Happens at Amish Communion?

    Hi

    We (My wife and I) drive many Amish around this community. During many of our talks about ‘religion’, they’ve never ever referred to having ‘salvation or being saved’. When it is brought up – and in many other instances where Biblical truths come into the discussion – they are noticeably quiet and seem to want to avoid even discussing most issues. We don’t press on any, but we do have this question which seems obvious on occasions.

    Any visible/non-visible reason?

    Thank you so very much.

    dj

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      Verity Pink
      Comment on Amish salvation (October 7th, 2015 at 15:55)

      Amish salvation

      I am not Amish myself, so am very much open to correction here, but the impression that I have formed is that Amish Christians are saved as a community, and that there is such a strong sense of incorporation into the Body of Christ as being what salvation means, as well as the means of salvation, that the idea of being saved as an individual simply doesn’t arise. I think that this also explains another apparent paradox – the seeming emphasis on works, as shown through conformity, which can seem to sit oddly with a radical reformation provenance – because, if you are saved as a community, then of course the evidence of salvation will be in the extent to which you show the community’s hallmarks, whether profound or apparently trivial.

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    Geniene
    Comment on unity (October 6th, 2015 at 09:54)

    unity

    I was wondering to what extent the average congregant gets to express their “opinions and concerns”.
    My sources indicate that, from their experience, it is not a time for discussion. One reports of there never being a single time in which anyone voiced anything other than agreement in their fifteen years of receiving communion and attending council meeting in an Old Order setting. I get the impression that unity is sacred and submission and acquiescence the highest virtues.
    I guess my question is, how much actual engagement is there? I’ve made the argument that, the reason the Amish are romanticized is because their actual issues are obscured. It appears from the outside that they are one big happy family.
    Outsiders are all aflutter about the congenial homogeneity they think is there. Engagement is hard on our side of the fence. Managing details and collaborating for some achievement is messy and gruelingly difficult. Just look at our government. Do the Amish have some silver bullet that circumvents the need for engagement? Or are they secretly engaging and we just don’t know it?

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      Donald
      Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (October 6th, 2015 at 12:12)

      I’m hoping Mark or Rebecca will comment on this. Amish friends of ours have given us a different explanation than the one Geniene is describing.

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    Geniene
    Comment on please (October 6th, 2015 at 14:51)

    please

    Could you be any more specific?

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    Carol
    Comment on Go Ye Into the World (October 6th, 2015 at 19:56)

    Go Ye Into the World

    What’s the Amish interpretation of Matthew 28: 19-20 since they don’t seem to be “into” spreading the Gospel to those outside their group.

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      Don Curtis
      Comment on Go ye into all the world (October 8th, 2015 at 14:28)

      Go ye into all the world

      I asked my son, Mark, about this. He said that the Amish are going into all the world. There are only a few Amish and a lot of world. Their way of evangelizing is to start new Amish communities and just live their lives as a witness for Christ. It is not the evangelical Protestant version of evangelizing as in passing out tracts or bus ministries. Then again, how many books, movies, documentaries, etc. have been written about the Amish and the interst they have generated compared to most other Protestant denominations. And, believe it or not outsiders do join the Amish. My son is one of them.

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        Anonymous
        Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (October 8th, 2015 at 14:47)

        There is a bus load of Amish from Sugarcreek, Ohio, in New York City today to sing, witness, pass out tracts, and share their faith. They will be there today and tomorrow.

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    Don Curtis
    Comment on Member input (October 7th, 2015 at 11:58)

    Member input

    I asked my son, Mark, who is a member of the Belle Center Amish Church, about members’ being able to give input. Mark said there are a number of ways that members can have input to the church’s decisions:
    1. Personal conversations with the ministry about the member’s concerns.
    2. If there seems to be an issue that is causing a problem for the Church then a member’s meeting might be called for. Usually, this is for the heads of households.
    3. During the Ordnung Gmay or Council Service, a member may state his/her concern to a minister as they pass by to receive the dorbeit.
    4. If there is a really severe problem in the Church that the ministers don’t feel able to deal with they can ask the church for permission to ask for help from outside ministers, usually from outside the commmunity. These outside ministers will interview each and every member of the Church to come to a conclusion of the matter. They will give recommendations to the ministry on how to deal with the troubling issue.

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      Donald
      Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (October 7th, 2015 at 12:56)

      Thank you, Don. This matches what I have heard from various Amish friends, customers, and neighbors, although I don’t recognize “dorbeit.” Is that what I have been told is the vote? I’m guessing so.

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      Amish Girl-Rebecca
      Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (October 10th, 2015 at 11:12)

      Don, Although I am from the Holmes Old order, it sounds like we are very much in agreement with your son Mark’s way of doing things. And some of the earlier comments- I guess they must be talking about a totally different group of Amish, I know many , many Amish who believe in personal salvation. Community salvation will not do the trick. Each person needs to make a personal commitment in his heart. And as far as I know this is preached every Sunday in Amish churches in this area and hopefully in many others. Part of the reason some Amish aren’t comfortable in talking about it so much is that they do most of their Bible reading in German and it’s hard then to say exactly what you mean in an English conversation. And also many believe we should not be trying to force our way of thinking onto others or that it is wrong to argue with folks about scriptural issues, so unless I would know exactly what community or specific group they’re from it would be hard for me to tell you why they might be reluctant to discuss church issues. And about spreading the Gospel. Many Amish support overseas missionaries and go on DRS projects and just believe in “Let Your Light So Shine”. Hopefully this will answer some questions.

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        Don Curtis
        Comment on Clarifying (October 12th, 2015 at 12:38)

        Clarifying

        Just to clarify something, the Mark of Holmes County is not my son, Mark. My son lives in the Belle Center, Ohio Amish community. Secondly, I always sign myself as Don Curtis. I am not the person who signs himself as Donald. Thank you.

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          Donald F.
          Comment on Sorry, Don! (October 12th, 2015 at 16:27)

          Sorry, Don!

          I didn’t think about the possibility of people getting us confused because I write “Donald,” but I could see how that could use some clarification. I’ll use my initial and hope that helps. I always enjoy your reports from your discussions with your son Mark. And speaking of Marks, where IS Mark of Holmes County? It’s been awhile since we heard from him.

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    Adam
    Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (October 8th, 2015 at 10:01)

    So how do the Amish see communion? We Catholics, for instance, believe the Eucharist to be the literal body and blood of Christ. Lutherans believe in something similar, but not quite the same. Baptists believe it is just a symbol to remind us, Anglican belief varies by high church/low church. I’d imagine that they see it similarly as the Baptists do: a symbol to remind them of Christ’s atoning work. Just curious. Thank you!

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    Don Curtis
    Comment on Communion (October 8th, 2015 at 14:23)

    Communion

    The “Dorbeit” is the statement that each member makes in the ear of a minister as they pass by at the conclusion of the Ordnungs Gmay. To quote my son, “I am in unity with the ordnung and what has been presented before us. It is my desire if we hold communion to hold it with all of you. I encourage others to help me with my weaknesses and I want to do the same for others. If I have offended anyone I wish to be corrected, in love, and I want to do the same for others. I wish the Lord’s blessings on the church.”

    This is all said in German and is a paraphrase of what Mark says. Everybody says something similar but not ncessarily, identical.

    As far as communion the Amish look at it way Christ looked at it. Jesus said, “Do this in remembrance of me.” So, that is what the Amish do. It is not a sacrement. It is bread and wine not Jesus’s literal body and blood.

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    Al in Ky
    Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (October 12th, 2015 at 21:14)

    When visitors are present from other Amish districts, do they participate in the taking of the bread and the wine, or do they leave the room at that time? Is the bread and wine only for the members of that specific Amish district?

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    Don Curtis
    Comment on Amish visitors (October 13th, 2015 at 16:55)

    Amish visitors

    I asked my son, Mark, about this. He said that there are very few visitors from the local community unless they are in the ministry and helping to officiate. Mark has noticed that when there are visiting ministers and their wives are with them from other districts or from other communities that are helping to offciate that they do participate in the commmunion, as ell. There have been times when a member in another district has been absent for one reason or another at their own district’s communion and they may come over to a Mark’s district. In that case the bishop states that they wish to participate in communion and have stated to him their Dorbeit..

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      Al in Ky
      Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (October 13th, 2015 at 20:52)

      Thank you, Don, for this information. I continue to enjoy and appreciate your postings on Amish America and Mark’s willingness to provide information and insight about Amish faith and life.

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    Don Curtis
    Comment on Ministtry ordinations (October 13th, 2015 at 16:58)

    Ministtry ordinations

    I forgot to mention that Mark said that ministry ordinations take place after commmunion. There are often visitors from other districts who come to see who the lot will fall on and will be ordained. They don’t come for the full communion service. Just late in the afternoon. They start showing up around 3:00 or so and wait until the ordaining service.

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    Sheryl Lewis
    Comment on Amish (September 25th, 2016 at 07:45)

    Amish

    Visited some Amish friends recently who have invited us into their home on prior visits. They were having communion service. When we drove up Chris came to the vehicle and treated us like total strangers and was almost use. I understand The importance of this meeting now but don’t understand how a Christian can just completely shun someone like VB this and not be willing to share the gospel

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      Don Curtis
      Comment on Amish communion (September 26th, 2016 at 14:17)

      Amish communion

      I asked my son, Mark, who is Amish about your comment. Of course he doesn’t know the particulars but he said that Amish communion is a “closed communion.” Only members take part in the communion. Although in Mark’s church there have been visitors present. They just don’t take part in the actual communion. Mark wanted to know if perhaps you have shown up on Ordnungs Gmay and not Gross Gmay. Ordnungs Gmay is two weeks before Communion when they go over the rules and hear confessions, etc. Ordnungs Gmay is closed to non-members. The doors are closed and nobody is allowed in except members as confessions may be heard and are to be heard only by the members of the church.

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        Mark — Holmes Co.
        Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (September 27th, 2016 at 10:02)

        Don has given a good answer. In Ordnungs-gmay, no one who is not a member is present. In communion, this is a very solemn, serious occasion. I’m surprised a non-Amish person would want to participate in the 8 hour communion service in German. Some people might find it hard to sit that long but especially if they do not understand the preaching. I’m surprised anyone would think to drop in at such an event or if they were unaware something was going on and arrived to find church services going on would not just leave. If I were “Chris” I’d probably be very flustered. I would be embarrassed at walking out of church services and unsure of what the best way would be to respond and very conscious at how the interruption might distract the minister preaching as well as those listening. In all the years I’ve attended council or communion services, I don’t recall non-member visitors or interruptions of any kind.

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          Kate F.
          Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (September 27th, 2016 at 11:57)

          If I’m going to drop in on my Amish friends and see they have company I just keep on going. The same with them, if they see cars in my driveway that aren’t mine they don’t drop in. It’s different if it’s by invitation or prearrangement. I wouldn’t dream of interrupting their church services and if you showed up after 8:30 in the morning, you were interrupting. We have been invited to weddings of all their girls and we were told when to arrive. We did not sit through the whole wedding ceremony but arrived around 11:00 and were seated on a reserved bench and were there to watch the exchange of vows. All of the non Amish and non German speaking guests arrived together.

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            Mark — Holmes Co.
            Comment on What Happens At An Amish Communion Service? (September 27th, 2016 at 13:11)

            Kate, that is how it is done in our area as well. Assuming non German speaking people are not going to enjoy the long service they are invited to come later and seated on benches that have been saved for them. There is also going to be a very large group of women & girls arriving around the same time — all the cooks, tablewaiters, etc. who have been busy all forenoon preparing the meal are going to arrive at church in a big group and they are seated long enough to watch the couple actually get married and then they leave to go back to the job of getting everything ready for dinner. A wedding “feels different” from church, though. It’s still a worship service but it is very different from regular church, baptism, council church, or communion.

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