32 responses to This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like
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    Carol
    Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (July 15th, 2014 at 07:39)

    Just curious–how do the “animal rights” people feel about making the horse work to freeze the ice cream?

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      Comment on Horsepowered Ice Cream (July 15th, 2014 at 11:14)

      Horsepowered Ice Cream

      I don’t know how animal rights people would feel, but I don’t think there’s any question horses, like other animals, need exercise to stay healthy.

      If going around and around in a tight circle for hours and hours was the only activity this guy (or gal) was getting, I could see why someone might object. But I don’t think he is a full-time ice cream engine. Though maybe we’ll hear differently :)

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        Jerry Lamie
        Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (July 15th, 2014 at 15:49)

        Jerry here.
        This is the only Amish auction that I attend that uses horse power to turn the ice cream machine. Most events use a few “hit or miss” engines to run the ice cream makers. “Hit and miss” engines are a marvel in their own rite and they amaze me. In years past the owner uses these four perfectly matched medium sized work horses to run turn the freezer. This year only three horses are present and I asked about the fourth horse. She is a mare and just had a foal and he decided to keep her at home. Each horse does 30 minutes and is switched out. Sometimes he gives Amish children rides on the working horse. I think I have a photo of that and I will try to locate it and send to Eric. It will be from last year I think.
        These horses are often used as a four horse team to do field work. Mostly in the hay fields and some spring plowing. I checked the feet and each horse was well shod and each was in very good condition. These three horses are well versed on the ice cream making process as they always step over the chain drive shield.
        Compared to a working day in the hay fields this was probaly a welcome change to their normal work day.
        On a related horse topic. When a single horse buggy arrived at this sale the horse was un-hooked from the buggy, taken to a wash station where the horse and harness is rinsed off to remove sweat and then taken to a huge tent to be hitched. Farm use animals are a hefty investment for any owner and the Amish take great pride in maintaining the horses in good health and kept comfortable.

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          Comment on A 5-Horse Ice Cream Team (July 16th, 2014 at 20:05)

          A 5-Horse Ice Cream Team

          If you’d like to see last year’s ice cream horse team, Jerry has kindly provided a few photos which I’ve updated the post with. He says there were actually five horses on ice cream duty last year, not four.

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        OldKat
        Comment on OR ... (July 15th, 2014 at 23:32)

        OR ...

        the simple reply is WHO CARES? Quite frankly most “animal rights” activists are idiots anyway.

        I am WAY past caring what idiots think … about anything.

        NOTE: The views of this poster do not necessarily represent those of this website, its owner or its sponsor … BUT THEY SHOULD! (Insert “smiley face” icon here)

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          OldKat
          Comment on and ... (July 15th, 2014 at 23:34)

          and ...

          BTW: When I was a child I read an account (real or fictional I do not know) of a horse that provided power for some sort of industry for years and years, (maybe in New England?), through the use of a “horse power” (that is the device that the horse in the photo is hitched to). He was given a break every day at noon when the employees took their lunch. When they returned to work, so did he.

          Finally they felt that he was far too old to do such hard work and they retired him to live out his days in lush pasture. Soon his appearance deteriorated; he lost weight and his hair coat became rough and unkempt. They all congratulated themselves on recognizing when it was the right time to literally put the old fella out to pasture. They thought he was going to die any day.

          Then one day the wind changed direction and the old horse caught the sound of the noon whistle in the nearby community. When the employees returned to the plant after lunch they noticed the old guy heading for a nearby tree, where he promptly began to walk circles around it until quitting time. The next day he was at the tree for the start of the work day and continued his “job” of walking around the tree whenever the employees were inside working. When they took a break so did he.

          When they worked so did he … even he really wasn’t doing any “actual” work. The difference was he gained weight, his hair coat took on a new luster and he was clearly happier than he was in retirement”. In the story he continued on this way for many, many more years. This from a horse that was thought to be dying just any day before he came out of retirement.

          Like I said, I have no idea if that story was really true or not. I do know that my two big girls, now approaching 10 years old, seem to be much happier and much better behaved when I have some work for them to do. I was just thinking about this today; when I RETIRE I am going to make it a goal to harness them every day and have some little job that we can do together. They have been with me since they were 4 &1/2 months old and I can tell when they are happy & content vs when they are not.

          Steady work makes them happy horses; of this there is NO DOUBT. So the animal rights crowd can stick it in their ear, or wherever else they might choose.

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    Robin Miller
    Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (July 15th, 2014 at 07:49)

    Fully loaded up! The only thing missing is a sunroof. :-) Wondering what the lifespan is for an Amish buggy?

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    Mark – Holmes Co.
    Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (July 15th, 2014 at 08:06)

    That makes our Holmes Co. buggies look very plain and boring. :) (And also $4,000 cheaper!)

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      Comment on Price difference in Amish buggies (July 15th, 2014 at 11:20)

      Price difference in Amish buggies

      Mark, any idea why your Holmes County buggies are that much cheaper? I have understood these Lancaster vehicles to be among the most expensive of Amish buggies, but was never sure why.

      Something different about the construction or features perhaps? I can understand why a Swartzentruber buggy or another group’s plainer buggy with no storm front, electric lights, etc, would be cheaper, but I believe you are in the largest mainstream Holmes County group and so you’d of course have a storm front and other comparable features on your buggies.

      Or is everything out of Lancaster County (like the real estate prices) just more expensive? :)

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        Mark – Holmes Co.
        Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (July 15th, 2014 at 11:31)

        We do have a storm front and most new O.O. buggies have a hinged back door, but the Lanc. style buggy has a lot of features we do not have, one big $$ being their carriage boxes are mostly fiberglass and our boxes are wood. Things that would make a Lanc. style carriage more expensive: the lift-up back panel with hydraulic arm (like on the back of a mini-van), the sliding doors, the double-storm front (in two pieces with a double latch — ours just snal up to the ceiling or snap shut with a vinyl flap where the lines go), the fancy switch box (our switches are just mounted on the dash but on a “plate” often upholstered the same as the seat), and other features. I’m guessing the biggest is the back panel & sliding doors.
        Our buggies here are more expensive than lower groups, but a New Order buggy would be more because they have sliding curtains/ doors.
        I don’t see how PA folks afford it… I could almost buy two brand new buggies for what they give for one. If a family has five sons, that’s almost $50,000 just in giving each one a buggy from home! Add in about $3,000 for each horse (you can’t pick up anything decent for much less) and outfitting five sons with buggy, horses, & harnesses will set you back about $68,000. It will end up costing me more like $43,000.

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          Comment on Rubber tires on Amish buggies (July 15th, 2014 at 11:52)

          Rubber tires on Amish buggies

          Well that explains it, thank you Mark. Those of us who don’t ride in these every day don’t know all the little details that you probably take for granted. And that is a huge price difference especially when you are talking a handful of boys.

          By the way, I have heard from a Holmes County minister friend of mine (also in your affiliation) a similar sentiment about the rubber tires (like you mention in your comment below).

          I suppose there must be symbolic weight to rubber tires on buggies, both since it is one step closer to a car’s tires but also since the New Order does it. Just speculating, but if the New Order weren’t around in Holmes County, or weren’t using rubber on tires, maybe these would be more quickly adopted by your group? My minister friend sure sounded like he wouldn’t mind having them :)

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            Mark – Holmes Co.
            Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (July 15th, 2014 at 11:56)

            I heard an minister in his 40’s say the only reason we don’t have rubber tires is because the New Order have them. :) I am not sure if I’ll see them in my lifetime, but I figure our children will. Other O.O. communities we fellowship with all have them. I would not oppose them at all. (Same for sliding doors, but of the two, I’d pick rubber tires first.)

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          Naomi Wilson
          Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (July 15th, 2014 at 12:56)

          I greatly appreciate the lifestyle adjustments that horse and buggy require, but this discussion makes me very grateful for our $500 hand-me-down minivan!

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    Linda
    Comment on Buggy wheels (July 15th, 2014 at 08:50)

    Buggy wheels

    Don’t all buggies and carriages have wheels? Why would it be an interesting extra option for Wood Wheels with 3/4″ Rubber? Maybe the standard is fiberglass wheels? Or wood wheels with a steel rim?

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      Mark – Holmes Co.
      Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (July 15th, 2014 at 09:21)

      You are right, Linda. Buggy wheels can be wood with steel rim, fiberglass, or aluminum, or wood with rubber lining and steel rim. Fiberglass & aluminum are expensive and if something goes wrong with fiberglass wheels, often the whole wheel needs to be replaced. Some say the fiberglass & aluminum make an unpleasant humming sound. We have different kinds of wheels on our buggies at home and I like the rubber-lined wood wheels best. They don’t look “thin” like aluminum, are not heavy like fiberglass but much quieter with the rubber lining.
      The best of all? Rubber tires on buggies. :) But in our community only the New Order have those.

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    Terry Berger
    Comment on Outstanding (July 15th, 2014 at 09:15)

    Outstanding

    These pictures are outstanding!! I saw two buggies at the Gordonville auction this past spring that had sunroofs. It was almost comical to see. Again, really enjoyed these photos!!

    Terry

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    MaryAnn Pepe
    Comment on Nice but.... (July 15th, 2014 at 10:08)

    Nice but....

    Isn’t this expensive buggy a bit “prideful” for the Amish?

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    Gayle Grabowski
    Comment on I am not Plain, but... (July 15th, 2014 at 10:38)

    I am not Plain, but...

    It would be sooo AWESOME to ride around in this buggy! If only I knew how to handle a horse! I paid this much for my truck, which is nowhere near as cool! Thank you for sharing!

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    Jeff
    Comment on carpet (July 15th, 2014 at 11:19)

    carpet

    Have to love the shag carpet option! Maybe the multi-colored, orange, 3″ deep variety? :)

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    Forest
    Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (July 15th, 2014 at 12:43)

    How much to add racing stripes and a pair of fuzzy dice for the rearview mirror?

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    Christine
    Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (July 15th, 2014 at 22:37)

    I thought it odd for the need of a speedometer?

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    Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (July 16th, 2014 at 05:54)

    The buggy sure looks like an Old Order Mennonite buggy!
    Tom The Backroads Traveller

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      Comment on Old Order Mennonite vehicles (July 16th, 2014 at 19:26)

      Old Order Mennonite vehicles

      I don’t think OO Mennonite vehicles are ever grey-topped, but I know you are familiar with Mennonite buggies from your neck of the woods Tom, I remember these photos you shared with us :) http://amishamerica.com/mennonite-buggy-dashboard/

      I’ve always thought the metal plates you see on some of them give them a neat look. In fact if I were an Amish teen in Lancaster County, I might even find myself coveting my neighbor’s vehicle: http://amishamerica.com/sticker-shock/

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    Al in Ky
    Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (July 16th, 2014 at 06:11)

    I haven’t ever visited any Pa. settlements and don’t know much about them, but am surprised a district’s ordnung would allow such a fancy buggy.

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      Comment on Flashy buggies (July 16th, 2014 at 19:36)

      Flashy buggies

      This is kind of the way buggies are in Lancaster County and probably many of its related communities, some may even be fancier than this one. Lancaster has a lot of spin-off settlements, some of which are plainer than the home community though, Mechanicsville MD is supposed to be that way. Also southern Lancaster is considered more conservative than the north, don’t know how that translates to buggies though.

      To me the fanciest or flashiest buggies I’ve seen are the ones in northern Indiana (Elkhart-Lagrange), with the mud guards over the wheels and the ultra-bright lighting in various arrays.

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    Min. Tarrel (Terry) Miller
    Comment on Shame and disgrace (April 13th, 2015 at 08:29)

    Shame and disgrace

    From a plain Amish perspective that buggy is a shame and disgrace, worldly and obviously owned by somebody on the fringe. In most Amish communities such a buggy would get you excommunicated. Even Lebanon Levi and his boys would likely put the fire to that one. I can hear them now, “Burn baby burn”. Even the bishops would thank Lebanon Levi for helping to clean up the district.

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      Kate
      Comment on Easy there... (April 13th, 2015 at 08:41)

      Easy there...

      I live in central PA and do a lot of taxi work for the Amish. This carriage looks normal to me for a gray one. I have also seen the white, yellow, and black ones and I have personally ridden in a gray one very similar that belonged to a very nice Old Order Amish couple who are not on the fringe or borderline. Having taken passengers to coach shops on business, I can tell you that there are many vehicles being made like this. It might not match the carriages used in all areas — in fact we see Amish groups not far away who would not be allowed to have one like this, but to imply Lancaster Co. bishops would thank Lebanon Levi for burning this one is offensive.

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      Anonymous
      Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (April 13th, 2015 at 11:44)

      Several of our employees are Old Order Amish and they say this is a typical carriage for the Lancaster-type Amish but some owned by youth will be fancier and some owned by older folks will be plainer. “Obviously owned by someone on the fringe”? Not true.

    • I’m not sure if you’re being tongue-in-cheek here, but I will agree with what Kate and Anonymous wrote that there’s nothing odd about this one and it’s not a fringe carriage.

      You can see a similar buggy dashboard in our new post today, from Lancaster County: http://amishamerica.com/lancaster-county-from-snow-to-thaw-44-photos/

      That kind of buggy certainly wouldn’t fly with some plainer Amish, but isn’t out of the norm for others. The differences in life are what keep things interesting :)

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      Mark – Holmes Co.
      Comment on This is what a $9,861 Amish buggy looks like (April 15th, 2015 at 09:45)

      It looks like a normal Lancaster type PA buggy to me, nothing shameful or disgraceful about it. I’ve ridden in buggies very much like this one several times. I would be very much surprised at a bishop approving of burning it; now THAT would be a shame and disgrace!

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