14 responses to Swartzentruber Amish leaving Pennsylvania
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    Rich Stevick
    Comment on S'trubers in Indiana County, PA (November 13th, 2012 at 08:02)

    S'trubers in Indiana County, PA

    Erik, Unless things have changed recently, I think that there is a S’truber settlement near Ebbensburg, PA, in Indiana County. They are close to Lancaster County’s daughter settlement in the same locale. This S group is with the Mosie-Mose group and migrated from from Stark County, OH, perhaps 15 years ago. I’d be glad for an update, if I’m wrong. Rich S

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      Comment on Swartzentruber Amish leaving Pennsylvania (November 13th, 2012 at 10:10)

      Rich would this be the same community then? Ebensburg looks to be in Cambria County like the Nicktown referenced in the article about this settlement. The settlement is described as “north of Ebensburg” which would put them in the direction of Nicktown and thus in the vicinity of Indiana County which is the next county over.

      After I read your comment I realized I wrote “Marion County” rather than Cambria County in the post above (now fixed). Not sure how that got there…there is no Marion Co in PA (whoops). Sorry for any confusion.

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    Comment on Rich Stevick (November 13th, 2012 at 08:22)

    Rich Stevick

    Is the Ebbensburg settlement the same as the Tyrone Settlement – I used to do work in Tyrone and seen a few buggy’s in Tyrone, the dress was similar to the Lawrence County Amish, don’t remember if the buggy’s had battery lights or not.

    Later,

    John

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      Rich Stevick
      Comment on Tyrone is different/distant--I think (November 13th, 2012 at 08:49)

      Tyrone is different/distant--I think

      John, I’m not aware of any S-truber settlements in the Tyrone area. They may fellowship with the Punxy settlement, but I’m just guessing. Erik will probably know. Rich

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    New York State of Mind
    Comment on Swartzentruber Amish leaving Pennsylvania (November 13th, 2012 at 08:57)

    There are moving to my state !! I know there are some Swartzentrubers around Clyde and Waterloo, New York. Knowing there are many Amish settlements in New York State, I am not sure who is where. Welcome to New York.
    Marilyn

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      Tom
      Comment on Swartzentruber Amish leaving Pennsylvania (November 13th, 2012 at 11:49)

      Marilyn,
      The Amish south of route 31 between Clyde and Waterloo are Swiss Amish and those north of route 31 in the Clyde, Rose, Lyons area are Troyer Amish who moved from Conewango NY.

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    Eli S.
    Comment on Swartzentruber Amish leaving Pennsylvania (November 13th, 2012 at 14:11)

    “The sect is in 15 states and has 110 congregations”
    The Swartzentruber Amish had two congregations in 1932.That was eighty years ago. If Kraybill is correct, then to reach 110 congregations in 2012 they need to have doubled a little less than six times. That is a doubling every 14 years at an annual growth rate of 5.1%. Does that seem reasonableÉ

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      Comment on Swartzentruber Amish growth rate (November 13th, 2012 at 14:51)

      Swartzentruber Amish growth rate

      Eli without drilling down heavily on the math, it does seem reasonable to me, for a couple of reasons. Swartzentruber Amish tend to have larger families (perhaps 1-2 more children) and higher retention than the “average Amish”, at least in recent times. “The Amish” as a whole are typically thought to grow at a doubling rate of every 18-20 years.

      Also, the 110 Swartzentruber congregations of today surely includes some congregations that are small, perhaps only a handful of families. To get a more precise figure you may need to go down to the family level.

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    Alice Mary
    Comment on Swartzentruber Amish leaving Pennsylvania (November 13th, 2012 at 14:36)

    It should be interesting to keep track of them if/when they do move out of PA. I hope those of you in NY (and elsewhere, wherever they might settle) will keep the rest of us apprised of their situation.

    It seems doubtful that they’d move back to PA if “rules & regulations” there don’t change in their favor. They seem pretty strict.

    How “different” from each other are Swartzentruber settlements from one state to another (or even one church district to another)? Have THEY ever made changes as a result of living in a certain area?(It seems doubtful to me, but I’m no expert.) Do they consider Swartz. settlements (other than their own) as misguided or just plain wrong (as far as their beliefs,clothing, “plainness”, etc. goes)?

    Alice Mary

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      Comment on Swartzentruber Amish differences (November 13th, 2012 at 14:54)

      Swartzentruber Amish differences

      Alice Mary to make a brief response, I think we might not see the differences but they certainly would. I once traveled with a higher-level Amishman through an area with Swartzentruber Amish from different groups, who pointed out the subtle things that I would not notice myself. There are something like 3-4 main Swartzentruber groups, and a number more of similar/related groups. The barriers in place due to differences in practice are real and affect the way groups and individuals relate to one another.

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    Tom in Kentucky
    Comment on Swartzentruber Amish leaving Pennsylvania (November 13th, 2012 at 15:44)

    Certainly a interesting story to follow. I wonder what exactly led to this decision. I once heard an old order Amish say to me that there is no pleasing a Swartzentruber.We were discussing the swartzentruber and the triangle issue that took place in Kentucky a short time ago.I am not sure exactly what he was indicating other than the Swartzentruber are not ones to compromise, which in my opinion can walk a thin line between being a virtue or a vice.

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    Kate H.
    Comment on Northwest PA settlement gone? (November 14th, 2012 at 13:37)

    Northwest PA settlement gone?

    Erik, when our daughter was in a hospital in Pittsburgh, we became friendly with a Swartzentruber Amish family from near Conneautville PA whose son was hospitalized in the same unit. Conneautville is in the upper left hand corner of Pennsylvania, quite close to the Ohio line. We corresponded with them until a little while after their son died, about six years ago. Is this Swartzentruber settlement defunct now?

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    Ava
    Comment on Amish Locations (November 19th, 2012 at 16:07)

    Amish Locations

    I still can’t quite figure out why more Amish groups or other Plain groups haven’t moved into a large, fertile area in Ohio, west of Belle Center ( with its New Order Amish, I believe ) and south of Hardin County ( Old Order Amish, that I believe I recently read has grown from two to TEN districts ). There are also Old Order German Baptists in the areas west of Troy and Piqua, I believe they’re near Covington; many of them rely on horse and buggy transportation. I wonder if parts of that land are now too developed, or if maybe the land is too costly. It just has long seemed ( to me ) an ideal area for farmers; and, maybe that’s why – the English farmers already there won’t sell!

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    Comment on Swartzentruber Amish leaving Pennsylvania (November 28th, 2012 at 07:35)

    There was another story out on this group a few days ago. Short but well done with some more info and insights into this group:

    Barbin said, in the end, the Swartzentrubers are being true to their consciences, despite the best efforts of the government to accommodate their beliefs.

    “I remember going to the house that the judge met at … and the wife came out and said, ‘You’re going to keep me from going to heaven. Whose fault is it going to be that I’m going to hell?’” Barbin said.

    “That was the statement, the underlying thought, that showed me we weren’t just dickering over costs.”

    http://www.theithacajournal.com/viewart/20121124/NEWS10/311240014/Embattled-W-Pa-Amish-sect-moving-upstate-NY

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