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	<title>Comments on: Saints or animal abusers?</title>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
		<link>http://amishamerica.com/saints_or_anima/comment-page-2/#comment-51805</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I live and work in Amish country. I cant count the number of times Ive seen carriage horses driven while dead lame (how would they like to go for a jog in 95 degree temps with metal shoes on on cement), plow horses working with raw wounds from the harnesses and have visited homes that have dogs stacked in crates a dark barn or garage to make the almighty dollar off of puppies. They have poor &#039;doorbell&#039; dogs that live on a 3&#039; chain by their door for their entire sad lives. Watched one beautiful german shepherd puppy bitch go from lively and vivacious, pacing and running back and forth and back and forth on her short line, to depressed and not moving in three months.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live and work in Amish country. I cant count the number of times Ive seen carriage horses driven while dead lame (how would they like to go for a jog in 95 degree temps with metal shoes on on cement), plow horses working with raw wounds from the harnesses and have visited homes that have dogs stacked in crates a dark barn or garage to make the almighty dollar off of puppies. They have poor &#8216;doorbell&#8217; dogs that live on a 3&#8242; chain by their door for their entire sad lives. Watched one beautiful german shepherd puppy bitch go from lively and vivacious, pacing and running back and forth and back and forth on her short line, to depressed and not moving in three months.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://amishamerica.com/saints_or_anima/comment-page-1/#comment-51804</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think attempts not to paper every member of a group for the sins of some, whether a few or many, are valid. However, the question I think folks should be asking is &quot;Does the attitude of a group towards animals give them a predisposition to abuse?&quot;.  I know nothing of the Amish/Mennonite community, but reading the first hand experiences posted here is pretty powerful evidence that there&#039;s a pervasive problem with these groups. BTW, I don&#039;t eat any living creatures and have been deeply involved in a dog shelter in SC for over seven years, including running it for large swaths of time, since some are calling for qualifications in order to comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think attempts not to paper every member of a group for the sins of some, whether a few or many, are valid. However, the question I think folks should be asking is &#8220;Does the attitude of a group towards animals give them a predisposition to abuse?&#8221;.  I know nothing of the Amish/Mennonite community, but reading the first hand experiences posted here is pretty powerful evidence that there&#8217;s a pervasive problem with these groups. BTW, I don&#8217;t eat any living creatures and have been deeply involved in a dog shelter in SC for over seven years, including running it for large swaths of time, since some are calling for qualifications in order to comment.</p>
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		<title>By: cheryl</title>
		<link>http://amishamerica.com/saints_or_anima/comment-page-1/#comment-34331</link>
		<dc:creator>cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And I forgot to mention that the same farmer owns a puppy mill. Which LCHS seems willing to overlook. 

On the same weekend visit, a young Amish man was driving a team of 6 horses very fast down Rt. 340, and was whipping the horses a lot. One of the horses fell, and the whole team fell along with the man on his cart. He looked to be &quot;hot dogging&quot;. It was a horrible sight. That, along with the dairy farm calf was enough to turn me off of the Amish as being &quot;gentle God fearing people&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I forgot to mention that the same farmer owns a puppy mill. Which LCHS seems willing to overlook. </p>
<p>On the same weekend visit, a young Amish man was driving a team of 6 horses very fast down Rt. 340, and was whipping the horses a lot. One of the horses fell, and the whole team fell along with the man on his cart. He looked to be &#8220;hot dogging&#8221;. It was a horrible sight. That, along with the dairy farm calf was enough to turn me off of the Amish as being &#8220;gentle God fearing people&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: cheryl</title>
		<link>http://amishamerica.com/saints_or_anima/comment-page-1/#comment-34330</link>
		<dc:creator>cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My husband and I used to be regular visitors to the Lancaster Co. PA area. It wasn&#039;t just because of the &quot;Amish Experience&quot; thing, it was because of the peaceful atmosphere. We used to go several times a year, but haven&#039;t been back there for several years because of our last visit.
   We used to stay at a motel that was off the beaten path, but our last stay was an eye opener. It was across the way from an Amish owned dairy farm, and several cows had given birth. There were 2 bull calves and a heifer calf. It was a terribly hot day and my husband and I were preparing to leave the motel for home. The heifer calf was alone in the meadow, and crying piteously. It was a Sunday. Some older Amish folks were walking to their place of worship, and the calf cried to them as it lay dying in the heat. The old man kicked it. 
    I was frantic about then. I went to the motel office and told them what was going on. They weren&#039;t worried. They said the calf would be fine. When I got home, I contacted the Lancaster County Humane Society. They reported that the farmer indeed had a dead heifer calf, but it had been stillborn. It was a lie. They let that 2 day old calf die in the heat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I used to be regular visitors to the Lancaster Co. PA area. It wasn&#8217;t just because of the &#8220;Amish Experience&#8221; thing, it was because of the peaceful atmosphere. We used to go several times a year, but haven&#8217;t been back there for several years because of our last visit.<br />
   We used to stay at a motel that was off the beaten path, but our last stay was an eye opener. It was across the way from an Amish owned dairy farm, and several cows had given birth. There were 2 bull calves and a heifer calf. It was a terribly hot day and my husband and I were preparing to leave the motel for home. The heifer calf was alone in the meadow, and crying piteously. It was a Sunday. Some older Amish folks were walking to their place of worship, and the calf cried to them as it lay dying in the heat. The old man kicked it.<br />
    I was frantic about then. I went to the motel office and told them what was going on. They weren&#8217;t worried. They said the calf would be fine. When I got home, I contacted the Lancaster County Humane Society. They reported that the farmer indeed had a dead heifer calf, but it had been stillborn. It was a lie. They let that 2 day old calf die in the heat.</p>
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		<title>By: zana white HSPO Large Animal Protection Society</title>
		<link>http://amishamerica.com/saints_or_anima/comment-page-1/#comment-31472</link>
		<dc:creator>zana white HSPO Large Animal Protection Society</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[please contact Large Animal Protection Society at 610-869-9880 should you witness a situation like this one again.  If you can get pictures or video footage that would be very helpful for the purpose of evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please contact Large Animal Protection Society at 610-869-9880 should you witness a situation like this one again.  If you can get pictures or video footage that would be very helpful for the purpose of evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: zana white HSPO Large Animal Protection Society</title>
		<link>http://amishamerica.com/saints_or_anima/comment-page-1/#comment-31471</link>
		<dc:creator>zana white HSPO Large Animal Protection Society</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please contact the Large Animal Protection Society should you ever see a situation again like you did with the downed buggy horse and the two amish boys that were beating the horse to get him up.  Stubborn horse, no.  Cruelty?  Yes.  
  LAPS contact number:  610-869-9880]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please contact the Large Animal Protection Society should you ever see a situation again like you did with the downed buggy horse and the two amish boys that were beating the horse to get him up.  Stubborn horse, no.  Cruelty?  Yes.<br />
  LAPS contact number:  610-869-9880</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Roboson</title>
		<link>http://amishamerica.com/saints_or_anima/comment-page-1/#comment-27176</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Roboson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 09:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I live in york pa area and frequent green dragon farmers market,everytime I visit im saddened by the horses who ate tied all day long in the heat still strappped to the buggy unable to move from sun up to sundown then drive them home again,poor things]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in york pa area and frequent green dragon farmers market,everytime I visit im saddened by the horses who ate tied all day long in the heat still strappped to the buggy unable to move from sun up to sundown then drive them home again,poor things</p>
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		<title>By: DebbieKelly</title>
		<link>http://amishamerica.com/saints_or_anima/comment-page-1/#comment-26705</link>
		<dc:creator>DebbieKelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 16:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t say if the Amish are, as a whole, abusers because I&#039;ve not been around any.  However, I can say that all of you who stood by and watched horses worked to collapse and beaten bloody should be ashamed of yourselves!  God help the person who does that where I can see it and, if he&#039;s Amish and dares call me English(check out the name) he&#039;ll get slugged for that.too.  Abuse continues when witnesses refuse to &quot;get involved&quot;.  The next time any of you see such atrocities--STOP THEM!  What are they gonna do? Hit you with their buggy whip?  That&#039;s called assault and they can go to jail just like the rest of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say if the Amish are, as a whole, abusers because I&#8217;ve not been around any.  However, I can say that all of you who stood by and watched horses worked to collapse and beaten bloody should be ashamed of yourselves!  God help the person who does that where I can see it and, if he&#8217;s Amish and dares call me English(check out the name) he&#8217;ll get slugged for that.too.  Abuse continues when witnesses refuse to &#8220;get involved&#8221;.  The next time any of you see such atrocities&#8211;STOP THEM!  What are they gonna do? Hit you with their buggy whip?  That&#8217;s called assault and they can go to jail just like the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: jK MILLER</title>
		<link>http://amishamerica.com/saints_or_anima/comment-page-1/#comment-24250</link>
		<dc:creator>jK MILLER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the amish would glady eat a cow or a pig without thinking about it and would certainly profit off of their suffering or death. they would also work their horses to the bone for a dollar - of course they are animal abusers. they are a disgrace - such religous people should know that treating an animal as a commodity is not proper biblical dominion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the amish would glady eat a cow or a pig without thinking about it and would certainly profit off of their suffering or death. they would also work their horses to the bone for a dollar &#8211; of course they are animal abusers. they are a disgrace &#8211; such religous people should know that treating an animal as a commodity is not proper biblical dominion.</p>
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		<title>By: Rkoontz</title>
		<link>http://amishamerica.com/saints_or_anima/comment-page-1/#comment-23610</link>
		<dc:creator>Rkoontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you go to confront them be very careful to move out of the area. They are not loving and forgiving. They don&#039;t like &quot;english&quot; that is a term that is not endearing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go to confront them be very careful to move out of the area. They are not loving and forgiving. They don&#8217;t like &#8220;english&#8221; that is a term that is not endearing.</p>
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