22 responses to Jim Cates: Anne’s Sermon
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    Andy
    Comment on I absolutely LOVED this story (August 27th, 2015 at 09:08)

    I absolutely LOVED this story

    This was really beautiful Jim, I would like to hear Amish Anne give an African American sermon with all of my heart!

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    Linda
    Comment on Jim Cates: Anne’s Sermon (August 27th, 2015 at 09:09)

    Thank you for the story, Jim. Amen!

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    T. Miller
    Comment on Jim Cates: Anne’s Sermon (August 27th, 2015 at 09:29)

    With all due respect, something just doesn’t sound right about this story. It doesn’t seem to have the ring of truth about it. I can’t get “a witness”. Is this a fantasy in somebody’s mind?

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    Jim Cates
    Comment on Truth is Oh So Much Stranger Than Fiction (August 27th, 2015 at 09:56)

    Truth is Oh So Much Stranger Than Fiction

    Sometimes, in scuffing up the details so that the stories remain as anonymous as possible, I may leave things askew. Beyond that, this one occurred just as it’s told. There is a wealth of “back story” that fleshes out Anne’s presence in the facility, etc., that might lend greater credence to what happened and why, but also paints a more vivid portrait of who she is, and takes away that anonymity.

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    Carolyn B
    Comment on Jim Cates: Anne’s Sermon (August 27th, 2015 at 12:48)

    I enjoyed reading this post. As one who was raised Evangelical then converted to Roman Catholicism, I understand your hesitancy to be a vocal “witness”. Your Anne must have received a powerful anointing and a word of knowledge from the evening services. Hope her recovery is smooth and swift.

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      Jim Cates
      Comment on Anne's Recovery (August 27th, 2015 at 18:19)

      Anne's Recovery

      Sad to say, I’ve actually lost touch with “Anne” over time. However, I do know she returned to her home settlement and was doing well after her stay in rehabilitation.

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    Margaret
    Comment on Jim Cates: Anne’s Sermon (August 27th, 2015 at 12:48)

    I LOVED this post! As a woman in ministry, I was especially blessed by her boldness. Thanks for sharing this memory with us!

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    Terry from Wisconsin
    Comment on Anne's sermon (August 27th, 2015 at 13:11)

    Anne's sermon

    Jim, Thank you for sharing Anne’s message!

    Years ago a pastor of our United Methodist Church had a sermon titled,”The sermons you have heard in your life.” He said to the congregation; When you look back on your life and the volume of sermons that you have heard, the number is going to be high. Some will go over your head, or through your ears, but there will always be a select few that will be stuck in your head. True.

    Personally one of those sermons that is stuck in my head, is the one on worry. It wasn’t enough that we had that sermon that Sunday, it was to be continued the next Sunday! (His text was from Matthew 6:25-34) Well, around this time our oldest son Eric who was in the US Army, shipped out to Iraq. People asked, Do you worry about him? My answer was no, and I told them why. Then out comes the two sermons on worry and how it is best to NOT do it! (Later on Eric went to Afghanistan) Again, thanks to that sermon I knew that Eric was under God’s thumb. Being thankful to God for His love and protection, we again were able to welcome our son home!

    The 2nd chapter:
    Currently our youngest son is in the US Air Force and has been to So Korea and Jordan. So, here we go again, and that same sermon still applies!

    Jim, when I read your post on Anne I said to myself that you possess one of those unforgettable sermons that will be forever with you as well! If you’re ever at a loss for a conversation topic, you can always pull it out of your memory again and again! :)

    Thankful to God for His love and blessings,

    Terry

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    Nicholas
    Comment on :D (August 27th, 2015 at 15:40)

    :D

    What a neat experience! I am glad that “Anne” found a receptive “congregation!” I enjoyed hearing this, and would second the hesitancy to get vocal! My favorite part was Jim Cates’ response to Anne’s question. It is a response with which I wholeheartedly agree!
    Thanks for the work you have done to serve others, Jim Cates!

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    Min. T. Miller
    Comment on Not convinced. (August 27th, 2015 at 15:51)

    Not convinced.

    I re-read this story to see if I’m missing something. I feel stronger now than before that this is pure fiction, but it’s a good story. As an Anabaptist preacher of Amish heritage this simply does not have the ring of truth about it, and I am a charismatic. I simply can’t get a “witness”. Nice story though.

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    Jim Cates
    Comment on Not convinced? (August 27th, 2015 at 18:16)

    Not convinced?

    I may regret this, Minister Miller, but my curiosity gets the better of me. You are determined to label the truth as fiction because…? The issue of an Amish woman breaking character and preaching? Her modeling from an African-American minister? I can’t delve too deeply in order to keep her anonymity, but it fascinates me when people stubbornly insist on a viewpoint that flies in the face of fact.

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      Andy
      Comment on Im curious as well Jim (August 27th, 2015 at 23:00)

      Im curious as well Jim

      I wonder exactly the same thing as Jim. I have seen God do so much that is wonderful and unexpected that this story really Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. It sea rather rude to imply Jim is not being truthful based on a guess. I could see this going against a lot of formal expectations, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

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      Min. T. Miller
      Comment on Still not convinced. (August 28th, 2015 at 08:56)

      Still not convinced.

      I shared this article with several old orders and conservatives, seriously committed Christians, and not one has a “witness”. It sounds too much like the fictional books written about our people, but claimed to be true or based on fact. Sometimes these writers end up getting shunned by the old order community. Just a kindly suggestion, use lots of wisdom and be very careful when telling this story to old orders, unless you can provide documented proof. It could be bad for business. Nonetheless, truth or fiction, it was a well written story and interesting. I wish you well.

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      Comment on Jim Cates: Anne’s Sermon (August 28th, 2015 at 10:35)

      With all due respect the old orders and conservatives I’ve spoken with say we’d need to see some proof before this story can be accepted as fact, some documentation. It has nothing to do with women preaching or African-Americans. It seems odd you would ask that. You probably know there are African-Americans in the various conservative Anabaptist orders. They are equal brethren. Women are highly regarded and respected in the Amish and conservative communities. True, they are not (according to the Scriptures)preachers or Bishops but their influence and spiritual depth are an important part of the community, and recognized with thanksgiving.

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    Jim Cates
    Comment on Still not convinced - and never will be, I'm sure (August 28th, 2015 at 09:50)

    Still not convinced - and never will be, I'm sure

    I appreciate the fact you shared it with friends. I have learned over the years not to worry when I share stories that some find unsettling. I do believe we both worship a Savior who shared stories that were terribly unsettling to many of the people who heard them, and the world is so much better because of it. As I scroll back through the comments I see, among others, a woman in ministry who responded. I reach out, not just to the Old Orders, but to a wide range of Christians. In so doing, the beauty and the gift of certain experiences will resonate with some more than others. Any comment that is thoughtful and desires to provoke growth is welcome. I wish you well too.

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      Min. T. Miller
      Comment on He spoke in parables (fiction), too. (August 28th, 2015 at 10:51)

      He spoke in parables (fiction), too.

      Thanks for your replies. They are appreciated. Yes, our dear Saviour told some pretty unsettling stories. He frequently spoke in parables (fiction) in order to make a point. Indeed, some of these fiction parables were full length stories. There is likely something to be learned from the parable you shared with us, too, so it must not be disregarded. No doubt there is something worthwhile to be learned. Have a good day and may your life always be fruitful.

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        Jim Cates
        Comment on He Spoke in Parables (Fiction) Too - Reply (August 28th, 2015 at 14:24)

        He Spoke in Parables (Fiction) Too - Reply

        This verbal exchange makes me anxious to meet you in person some time and talk. I’ll be at the Plain People conference in June. Don’t know if you will be there or not, but if so, would love to have a conversation with you. In the meantime, take care!

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    Andy
    Comment on Jim.... (August 28th, 2015 at 11:39)

    Jim....

    Jim, about half of the members of the Fredericksburg Amish Mennonite Church where I am a member are African Americans. One day we were gong to sing for a man who was sick. It was after Church on Sunday. I too have been exposed to the African American expression of worship and song. I thought it would be considerate to sing a song that they all knew and felt comfortable and familiar with. So I suggested the song and lead in the singing. The song was “Oh happy day”. Here we were, a Plain dressed group of Amish Mennonites singing Black Gospel! It was a very happy moment for me to see the African American brothers and sisters included in such a manner and the other members willing to be inclusive.
    I want to share another little story. Once many years ago, upon returning from a Mission trip and before I joined the Church, our Mission team stopped into a Beachy Amish Church. We went to Church, and afterward shared a fellowship meal. We were invited home to two different homes. Half of our team visited a few hours and decided it was time to head home on the final leg of our journey. We left to go pick up the rest of the team at the home they were invited to. When we arrived, it was only an elderly lady. Her husband had been there but was called to help someone. As we said our goodbyes, she said she wanted to ask a question. “of course” we said. She asked have ever you ever received the baptism of the Holy Ghost? Well, I was very surprised! One of the boys on our team said no and asked what she was talking about. She explained and she told him that he really needed this Baptism in the Holy Spirit to live a victorious life. These were not teachings of any Amish or Mennonite that I ever met in my life. She proceeded to lay hands on the boy and one lady that was with us and pray over them. The boy actually began speaking in tounges. Now this is not my gift, but it is in the Bible and I saw it with my own eyes. The lady explained that she met someone who explained all this to her and had prayed for her and she has been doing it for others ever since.
    Of course there are more than one thing in this story that run counter to Amish or Mennonite teachings and practice, but the fact is that it happened. I think at times it is wise to remember that God is indeed in control and we are His vessels.
    The lady who prayed is named Annie, the two people she prayed for are David Newell and Mary Ann Lewis.

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      Min. T. Miller
      Comment on Wow! That's a powerful testimony. (August 28th, 2015 at 13:51)

      Wow! That's a powerful testimony.

      Andy, that was a powerful testimony. The ring of Truth was loud and clear. I have met numerous Amish, Mennonites, and Hutterites who have had the very experience of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as you described, including several ministers and some bishops.

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        Andy
        Comment on Thats encouraging! (August 28th, 2015 at 14:11)

        Thats encouraging!

        I would love to meet anyone or hear from anyone who has had this experience just to fellowship with them, I have not had the privilege among our Churches to meet anyone other than Annie yet, but I have always thought it must be happening, just because God never changes, He is the same today, yesterday and forever! Very encouraging to hear this!

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      Jim Cates
      Comment on Andy's Experience (August 28th, 2015 at 14:31)

      Andy's Experience

      Your experience is intriguing to me, in part because of the integration of your church. In the community where I am located, churches are still generally segregated, at least in part because of the differences in the tradition of the service. Granted, we have a few people who cross the color line in any church, but they are the exception and not the norm. It means a lot to hear about your journey.

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    Andy
    Comment on It is truly a blessing (August 28th, 2015 at 20:46)

    It is truly a blessing

    Jim it sounds silly to most people but I actually prayed for this, that the Holy Spirit would bring in an equal slice of our community. God is not a respecter of persons and He suffered so all people might have life. JESUS DID THAT! So He gives us His burden for the lost and we are co laborers together with Him. His grace has proven to be sufficient and I am deeply thankful to the Lord. It is a privilege to fellowship with you and the other folks on AA as well! Thank you and I love you all!

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