6 responses to What really counts
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    Comment on What really counts (September 17th, 2007 at 06:28)

    The comments made by some of the Amish you write about are interesting.

    You could think about the ordnung in Amish society as being highly similar to the rules in a monastic order. They were put in place to keep order and prevent pride in members. This, I think, is a good thing. The danger, however, can occur when the truths of that exterior dress are not interiorly lived out. At that point, the man shows himself to be not much less than a hypocrite for the exterior provisions are no longer a reflection of the man’s soul.

    The Amish mustn’t throw away the baby with the bath water, however. Rather, they need to rediscover and accept the reasons for their ordnungs, and focus on the hearts of erring members who would use it as a source of pride rather than a source of submission, humility, meekness, and order.

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    Comment on What really counts (September 17th, 2007 at 13:43)

    Unfortunately it is such in the human nature to be proud to be member of a particular group (Thank God I’m Amish!). But some we’ll be proud of not being member of a certain group… (Thank God I’m not an Amish… I know the Truth!!)
    The danger of hypocrisy are everywhere….
    I think the New Order tend to be quite “evangelical” in its approach.

    Great blog as always.

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    Dave Carrig
    Comment on What really counts (September 17th, 2007 at 19:20)

    I’m curious to know how you are able to attend church with the Amish. I always thought that the Amish were a bit “closed” when it came to “outsiders” and attendence at their churces. Are you able to go because you have friendships within the community?

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    Comment on What really counts (September 17th, 2007 at 20:14)

    Good points Matthew, many of us could use a dose of humility. I’m interviewing some pretty big business owners right now and many seem to be acutely aware of the danger of getting a big ego.

    Emma you said it best…thanks for reading…you’re right the New Order is a bit more that way, though hardly anything compared to some other fundamentalists I’ve encountered!

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    Comment on How often do Amish have English visitors at church? (September 17th, 2007 at 20:22)

    How often do Amish have English visitors at church?

    Friendships definitely help but an outsider at church is not as infrequent an occurence as I originally thought (speaking generally here I’m not as confident about how it would be with ultraconservative groups)–when I go I always ask how often non-Amish attend at each church and the answers have varied from once or twice a year to every few months…not every time, but not that rare I suppose.

    The New Order seem to be the most accomodating when it comes to delivering part of the message in English (weird feeling when you’re the only guy and the preacher switches–it’s as if he’s suddenly talking just to you!) but one ‘regular Old Order’ friend whose father is bishop had said they try to prepare part of the sermon to be in English if they know in advance.

    You should try to go if you get the chance, I just sort of humbly brought it up the first time–the family was a bit amused at first that I’d like to go then they sort of suddenly got excited about the idea…

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    Dave Carrig
    Comment on What really counts (September 18th, 2007 at 19:28)

    AA – I definately would like to go – but don’t know any Amish well enough to ask.

    If the opportunity ever presents itself – I would definately go. Here’s hopin – one day….

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