25 responses to Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish
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    Anonymous
    Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (July 2nd, 2014 at 06:18)

    The Amish somehow will have to get a cell phone.
    I mean their custom is ridiculous, how are the suppose to get hold of the Law Enforcement? If the Amish had a Restaurant. they, must by Law have to up-date to the health of department 2014.

    I must say, yeah, on Sunday Morning when good people are in Church, to get a robbery.

    I must say, 1st, September 11th. we did not know what would happen next. Then, an Amish School got harsh attacks.

    Thanks to the News-media. This kind of Behavior against the Amish will be repeated. and the next time an attack happen, their may not be good people around to summons the police. I rather not go on, as I made my point.

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      Rachelle
      Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (July 2nd, 2014 at 09:27)

      No, you really didn’t make a point at all.

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      garrett
      Comment on what? (July 2nd, 2014 at 19:11)

      what?

      I feel dumb for even reading this!!!

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    Marilyn
    Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (July 2nd, 2014 at 06:45)

    I am a Englisher. I have a cell phone and I don’t think to take it with me all the time. The Amish must have been able to contact the police as the police solved the crime.

    I feel it is terrible if anyone gets robbed like that, especially the Amish. Unfortunately, I think robbers feel they Amish are easier to rob than the Englishers. The men that did it are so young. It also shows that the Amish will call the police when necessary.

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      Comment on Amish reporting crimes (July 2nd, 2014 at 07:51)

      Amish reporting crimes

      Maybe if more of these stories are publicized, the idea that Amish do not contact police will start to disappear. Though some Amish will be more comfortable dealing with police than others.

      And Anonymous, how do you know that these Amish did not call the police using a cell phone? Quite a few Amish young people and adults have them.

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    Juanita Cook
    Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (July 2nd, 2014 at 07:16)

    This is such a sad thing to happen to the Amish or anyone. I do wish that they would report these kinds of things when they happen to them. Glad they were caught and the get a very stiff punishment..

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    Guy
    Comment on Make these boys work for the damage (July 2nd, 2014 at 07:54)

    Make these boys work for the damage

    This happen not far from me
    and I think they should Make these boys work for the damage I mean hard labor and live with the amish has HARD labors
    make them built a buggy
    and go after the parents also

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    Gary Counterman
    Comment on When Different Worlds Collide (July 2nd, 2014 at 07:58)

    When Different Worlds Collide

    When these crimes happen to the Amish the way our cultures are different is what so often comes to the forefront first. Next is the senselessness of violence and crimes against the Amish, it never makes any sense. Who would target the Amish and why? Well actually that answer isn’t that hard; it’s someone looking for an easy target, someone who takes advantage of what they perceive as weakness in the Amish. Perhaps the criminal is a person of a character as to almost have no character or who may have a mental illness, or some other problem.

    The young gang who victimized the Amish don’t seem the exception. They are four lads who appear homeless, jobless, without family and reckless. They are so different from the Amish whose lives are lived with purpose which is evident in almost everything they do. By chance or grace no one during this crime spree was fatally injured or killed, of some consolation I suppose, but not enough as I see it. All the injury and fear they caused the community shouldn’t go unpunished and some kind of restitution is in order.

    But then the Amish, no strangers to forgiveness have likely moved on already, forgiven, given it up to God, as is their custom and all while barely missing a beat, while following the simpler and peaceful rhythms of their lives. Maybe one day I could learn to be more forgiving, or perhaps their tormentors, after having received such grace, may become inspired to be better men.

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    Mark – Holmes Co.
    Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (July 2nd, 2014 at 08:17)

    I like how you ended your comment, Gary. It would be a blessing if this could be a “turning point” for those boys. I can only imagine how miserable their lives must be.

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      Comment on Boys or men? (July 2nd, 2014 at 08:33)

      Boys or men?

      Mark and Gary, thanks – “miserable” is the word I was searching for. What they did was wrong but it also makes one wonder about their back story. Homelessness is classed a big city problem, we don’t expect to see it in small towns like Middlefield (pop. 2,694). No doubt there are bad domestic situations in the picture.

      I would guess that more Amish would feel sorry for these guys than angry, even the direct victims once they have time to get over the shock and harm done.

      It was also interesting to see the way this story was reported. In one of the stories I linked, three of them (the 18 and 19-year-olds) were described as “men” and one (the 17-year-old) as a “boy”. I know the legal cutoff for adulthood is 18 but it seems rather artificial to divide them like that, especially since boyhood lasts a lot longer than it once did.

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    Sharyn
    Comment on Four arrested for robberies,,attacks on Amish (July 2nd, 2014 at 08:39)

    Four arrested for robberies,,attacks on Amish

    I know these Amish, I drove for them ! A great bunch of guys who would do anything for me !!!!! I am glad the police were able to catch the bad guys !!! As for phones/ cell phones in the Mespo area almost every Amish teen/twenty-something has a cell phone .

    • Sharyn this reminded me that the Geauga community has had a bad run lately with violent events. Last summer two Amish teens were shot in a strange incident on an English property in the area. I hadn’t heard what happened with the men who were arrested for the shooting.

      http://amishamerica.com/ohio-amish-teens-shot/

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    Anne
    Comment on so sad (July 2nd, 2014 at 10:56)

    so sad

    From what I know Amish communities will have different responses to these sorts of things. In my son’s community, it might not be reported, but other “English” friends will report it if they find out. I love it when the surrounding community cares for its own this way. BTW, they do not have cell phones, though we have tried to give them one (rechargeable by hand cranking).

    This group holds the view of non-retribution very high, but they also believe in the Biblical teaching that the State bears the sword to punish evil. So they are supportive of that. A few years ago, some area teenage boys set an Amish barn on fire, burning down the barn and killing the milk cows inside. Of course the police got involved and apprehended the youths. The Amish offered forgiveness and asked if the boys could come work with them as compensation. I never heard how that was decided…

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    Ed from NY
    Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (July 2nd, 2014 at 19:59)

    One of the suspects expressed relief upon being caught. I share that relief.

    Interesting items that should be publicized from this case:

    1. The Amish businesses robbed at night netted the robbers only small change, or small amounts of cash. Likely not even minimum-wage money when divided by the four.

    2. The Amish do report crimes to police.

    3. Some Amish do carry cell phones.

    4. The thieves were CAUGHT.

    • If you're thinking of robbing the Amish, read Ed's comment

      Thanks for summing those up Ed. Good guidelines for anyone researching whether they should or should not try to rob the Amish.

      There is another story about armed robberies of buggies in Michigan (Gladwin and Clare Counties). We mentioned that story here a couple of weeks ago, though details were sketchy at the time. There is now a reward out and more details.

      Based on what usually seems to happen when criminals try to take advantage of the Amish, these people will probably be caught too.

      http://www.ourmidland.com/news/authorities-investigate-armed-robberies-of-amish-buggies/article_3c474a18-01f1-11e4-858d-001a4bcf887a.html

      “The method of operation in the incidents involves the suspects driving up to their victims after dark with a vehicle’s bright lights on to avoid being seen. That has led to sketchy vehicle identifications. Thus far, the descriptions include a dark colored vehicle, a pickup truck and a sedan, troopers said. The suspects then demand cash.”

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    Alice Mary
    Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (July 2nd, 2014 at 21:11)

    Amish forgiveness goes a long way, as evidenced by Anne’s story of the Amish forgiving the boys who burned down a barn, thus killing the cows within it. I can’t think of a better “punishment” (if you could call it that—it’s more of an opportunity to be a turning point, as Gary mentioned)—having the boys work for/with the Amish whose property and livestock they destroyed.

    I hope those who broke into the Amish businesses have that opportunity.

    Alice Mary

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    G. Stutzman
    Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (July 3rd, 2014 at 03:12)

    My father (a Mennonite) was until recently an Englisher employee of a large and very successful Amish construction company in Ohio. I always thought it deeply ironic and typically hypocritical that not only was he the personal chauffer of one of the 2 principle partners; he also was the guy whose name appeared on the company cellphone bill. Yes, the Amish have cellphones.

    As for Rachelle and Garrett’s comments I can only say…”LOL and Bravo”.

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      Mark – Holmes Co.
      Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (July 3rd, 2014 at 08:34)

      I’m glad I was not the only person puzzled at Anonymous’s comments. :)
      As for drivers & cell-phones, I once heard an Amish man compare drivers to airplane use, saying that though a person might fly frequently on business, they still wouldn’t consider buying and flying a plane themselves. It’s kind of funny, but maybe not as realistic.
      Use of hired drivers can really vary from group to group and individual by individual. There are always going to be some individuals who crowd the line or have a different interpretation. Personally I feel if you have a cell phone for business — put it in your own name…
      We have a non-Amish coworker who does a lot of our business related errands, but that is what the understanding was and we all benefit.

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    Guy
    Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (July 3rd, 2014 at 06:28)

    I was at middle field Ohio few years ago
    and while driving I seen bOys making fun of a Amish lady walking with her little girl. Not sure what they were saying But it really hurt her feelings and she started walking really fast with his baby. I wanted to go after those boys But I did not. middle field Ohio is about 50 miles from me that’s it

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    Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (July 4th, 2014 at 07:01)

    I know a few Amish families who live on Bundysburg Road.. Hope it wasnt any of them or their families..

    Its too bad that people are haters of those different from themselves.. but I know there are a lot of them out there in Middlefield.. I’ve heard them complain about the Amish repeatedly..

    I dont think violence only happens in certain areas.. I think its everywhere & we as the public dont always hear about it.

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    Tom Geist
    Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (July 6th, 2014 at 15:37)

    Just my 2 cent as I am not Amish…

    My understanding is that Amish people rely on God for their ultimate protection. While they might take some small simple steps to protect themselves, on the whole their faith is in God not other men to set things right. So the question becomes, “How big is your God?” and “How strong is your faith.”

    English people often times want instant justice… which usually is the “eye for and eye” rather than the “turn the other cheek kind.”

    This holds true for the Amish in getting English medical treatment versus their own unofficial doctoring for their families.

    Their faith in God also leads them not to be non violent and to not go to war. Some English would say THEY are the reason the Amish have are safe, (taking God out of the equation) but the Amish would disagree.

    God helps them that help themselves…..

    …….but at some point, when we can’t (or won’t) do more, we turn things over to God. I believe the Amish have a lower threshold for turning things over to God….or is it that they have more faith.(?)

    Which reminds me of a joke about faith…

    A man named Jack was walking along a steep cliff one day, when he accidentally got too close to the edge and fell. On the way down he grabbed a branch, which temporarily stopped his fall. He looked down and to his horror saw that the canyon fell straight down for more than a thousand feet.

    He couldn’t hang onto the branch forever, and there was no way for him to climb up the steep wall of the cliff. So Jack began yelling for help, hoping that someone passing by would hear him and lower a rope or something.

    HELP! HELP! Is anyone up there? “HELP!”

    He yelled for a long time, but no one heard him. He was about to give up when he heard a voice. Jack, Jack. Can you hear me?”

    “Yes, yes! I can hear you. I’m down here!”

    “I can see you, Jack. Are you all right?”

    “Yes, but who are you, and where are you?

    “I am the Lord, Jack. I’m everywhere.”

    “The Lord? You mean, GOD?”

    “That’s Me.”

    “God, please help me! I promise if, you’ll get me down from here, I’ll stop sinning. I’ll be a really good person. I’ll serve You for the rest of my life.”

    “Easy on the promises, Jack. Let’s get you off from there; then we can talk.”

    “Now, here’s what I want you to do. Listen carefully.”

    “I’ll do anything, God. Just tell me what to do.”

    “Okay. Let go of the branch.”

    “What?”

    “I said, let go of the branch. Just trust Me. Let go.”

    There was a long silence.

    Finally Jack yelled, “HELP! HELP! IS ANYONE ELSE UP THERE?”

    Tom in Lincoln
    LincNebr@hotmail.com

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    Marcus from Sweden
    Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (July 18th, 2014 at 15:09)

    If they needed a place to stay and food to eat, wouldn’t it have been a lot easier to just knock on the doors of those amish folks and politely ask for it? Instead of beating them and breaking in and robbing their businesses in order to be thrown in jail? I’m sure they’d be able to work something out for them?

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    Comment on 8 1/2 years for robberies, attacks on Amish (October 29th, 2014 at 11:17)

    8 1/2 years for robberies, attacks on Amish

    The first punishment has been handed out, for the 19-year-old who drove the car in these attacks and robberies.

    http://www.news-herald.com/general-news/20141027/middlefield-township-teen-gets-prison-in-amish-attacks

    A teen who drove the car used to commit organized attacks on the Amish was sentenced Oct. 27 to 8 1/2 years in prison in Geauga County Common Pleas Court.

    Chase Kontur, 19, whose last known address was in Middlefield Township, previously admitted helping attack the Amish for money because he thought they were easy targets and would not report the crime.

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    Comment on Four arrested for robberies, attacks on Amish (October 29th, 2014 at 15:41)

    I just cant imagine that people, even young people can be so incredibly ignorant.. Its so very sad. I guess they’re learning the hard way.

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