25 responses to Exemption Solves Smoke Detector Troubles For Wisconsin Amish
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    Linda
    Comment on Masts jailed, Manure re-purposing (July 21st, 2015 at 07:21)

    Masts jailed, Manure re-purposing

    “Amish jailed after failing to pay their fines,” posted July 10 in Kentucky.
    “After the Masts were taken into custody, Joines told the Daily News the two men asked not to wear the orange jumpsuits typically worn by inmates. Amish believe bright colors call undo attention to them, which is against their faith. Joines believes their request will be granted.”

    http://www.bgdailynews.com/news/amish-jailed-after-failing-to-pay-their-fines/article_6f0cb343-e841-524b-8f6b-98e88735bfe8.html

    At Yoder’s Dept. Store in Shipshewana, Indiana, where the horses and buggies park, is a designated exchange area where manure can be shoveled into from the parking lot, and landscapers and gardeners can get free manure.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/83677003@N00/3585868398/in/album-72157618996442337/
    http://www.armentphoto.com/p1073185814/h13E977B7#h13e977b7

    Saloma Furlong visited a library that was patronized by the Amish in the Lancaster, Pennsylvania area, and noticed they had a shed with barrels for that purpose.

    • Thanks, Linda. The Mast jail story you shared looks at least a day fresher than the one I linked.

      I also found the following interesting. The community has been testing the bags, but feels they’re not the best solution, described below.
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      http://www.bgdailynews.com/news/amish-jailed-after-failing-to-pay-their-fines/article_6f0cb343-e841-524b-8f6b-98e88735bfe8.html

      While the Masts are in jail, members of the Amish community will continue to discuss the waste bag ordinance with Auburn officials. Joines said the Masts authorized him to pay the fines if the city will stop writing tickets for failing to have a collection device on their horses.

      “The Amish are still willing to strictly comply with clean up” of their horses’ waste, Joines said. “They just don’t think the collection device is the correct way to deal with the issue.”

      Last week, the Masts tested waste collection bags on two of their horses, but Joines said the Amish community is still concerned about using them.

      “We tried the collection devices with two very experienced drivers and they had a hard time handling the horses at trotting speed,” Joines said. “The collection device starts rubbing and hurting (the horses’) legs and it spooks them.”

      Not only would the devices give the horses sores, but when the animals get spooked, “they just run wild and you can’t stop them,” Joines said.

      “They’re a danger to themselves and others,” he said. The Masts “would rather go to jail than put the lives of any of our community at risk.”

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    Debbie H
    Comment on Manure (July 21st, 2015 at 13:22)

    Manure

    If the Amish agree to pick up the manure I do not see why they fine them sounds like politics and someone wanting to exert power to me.

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    Alice Mary
    Comment on Exemption Solves Smoke Detector Troubles For Wisconsin Amish (July 21st, 2015 at 21:51)

    My mother used to “collect” manure from the rag man’s horse that would go through our alley in Chicago in the ’50’s & ’60’s, then put it on her garden.

    There were also horse & cart vegetable dealers in our neighborhood back then. I believe they picked up after their horses…or perhaps the city did. There weren’t that many horses then, so it wasn’t a big deal.

    They still have horses, I believe, in Chicago (police & tourist carriage rides). They’ve dealt with it somehow, and I can understand how the “manure collection devices” (!) would be irritating to the poor horses. Man makes these rules, and man can “adjust” them. Compromise is possible if both sides are open to it.

    Alice Mary

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    Comment on Wisconsin Amish (July 22nd, 2015 at 11:16)

    Wisconsin Amish

    I say, hooray for the city of Auburn! At least there is someone who is standing up for the rights of the citizens who find the sight of manure on public roadways unattractive! It is not the modern day culture to view animal excrement on public roads! Manure belongs in a pasture, not on asphalt! The Amish need to realize they are not the only ones who use these roads and that other people’s cultures need to be respected! Our roads are often used for more than just driving. People use the shoulders for daily walks, jogs, to ride bikes and other activities. The Amish should be respectful of the non-Amish cultures. After all you reap what you sow. With that being said, I repeat, Hooray for the city of Auburn! Now if only more city leaders would take notice! Maybe the Amish would realize, they aren’t the only ones who want their cultures respected!

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      TJ
      Comment on Exemption Solves Smoke Detector Troubles For Wisconsin Amish (July 22nd, 2015 at 16:10)

      What a load of… manure.

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        Comment on Wisconsin Amish (July 23rd, 2015 at 13:14)

        Wisconsin Amish

        It may be “load of manure” to you but, to the people of the city of Auburn, they felt it was a big enough of deal that they put an ordinance in place. It surprises me that you would so blatantly disregard anyone’s feelings on this matter! Mark my words! As the Amish population continues to increase, this is an issue that will NOT go away!

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          Comment on Exemption Solves Smoke Detector Troubles For Wisconsin Amish (July 23rd, 2015 at 15:25)

          Sure it’ll go away. Manure is biodegradable!!

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            Comment on Wisconsin Amish (July 23rd, 2015 at 19:02)

            Wisconsin Amish

            Would you like to the documentation I have that refutes your claim? Because, I can show you proof that a rain storm does not in fact, immediately and completely erase the excrements of the Amish transportation!

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              Comment on Exemption Solves Smoke Detector Troubles For Wisconsin Amish (July 24th, 2015 at 06:22)

              Fran, I don’t really need to see a picture. I have a pretty good imagination. All I was hinting at is that you might want to take a deep breath, relax, thank God you are living in a county where you are able to express your views and realize if horse “poop” in the middle of the road is the worst you encounter today, you are indeed a very lucky woman.

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                Comment on A thought (July 24th, 2015 at 07:30)

                A thought

                After I posted my response today, I went to my morning devotions. This is what I read, “Be kinder than necessary for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.” (Author not listed.)

                I sincerely hope you, Fran, and all of our readers have a wonderful day.

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          TJ
          Comment on Exemption Solves Smoke Detector Troubles For Wisconsin Amish (July 24th, 2015 at 08:10)

          Blatantly disregard anyone’s feelings on the matter? And you’re thinking of the Amish people’s feelings on the matter or the feelings of those who actually appreciate the Amish?
          You’ve made quite a few negative comments about the Amish on this site. I know they are not perfect and will agree there is room for improvement on BOTH sides, but it appears you simply dislike the Amish and will jump on the anti-Amish bandwagon even if it is involves something in a different state.
          You’re entitled to your opinion just like I am entitled to mine, but I’m rational enough to see the positive as well as the negative.
          You write the Amish need to realize other people’s cultures need to be respected yet you show no respect for theirs. Sad.

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      William C.
      Comment on Exemption Solves Smoke Detector Troubles For Wisconsin Amish (July 24th, 2015 at 13:10)

      And after we get rid of the Amish, Fran, who shall we target next? People from countries we cannot immediately find on the map? Anyone whose skin is a different colour than ours? People whose religious beliefs conflict with ours? Gays? Pascifists? Vegetraians? Mentally or physically challened people? Those that live in trailers or mansions? Those who voted for Obama? People who leave their Christmas decorations up all year?
      Just what culture are you representing? Not mine… I’m an American who appreciates the diversity of our country and before you respond, I also live in an Amish area. Since the Amish moved here we have had issues to deal with, but they have been gracious in dealing with the short-comings of our own local people just like the local non-Amish people have been gracious in dealing with their short-comings. I’m proud of the way our area has welcomed them and I appreciate what they stand for. Stop calling it “respecting non-Amish culture” or “civic duties” and call it what it is: bigotry.

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        Donald
        Comment on Amen! (July 24th, 2015 at 15:11)

        Amen!

        You gave a great response William.

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      Judy
      Comment on READ the WHOLE ARTICLE !!!! (October 9th, 2015 at 10:59)

      READ the WHOLE ARTICLE !!!!

      The Amish clean up after the horses, they just don’t want a device on the animal that rubs and can cause severe abrasions to the horse, and SPOOK them with the rubbing on the horse’s legs. If you aren’t going to read the whole article, why would you make a comment that just shows your ignorance of the entire situation ???.

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    Kate
    Comment on Exemption Solves Smoke Detector Troubles For Wisconsin Amish (July 22nd, 2015 at 11:28)

    Have you ever noticed some people only comment on the negative posts? That is so sad. This is a great site for learning and I applaud those that take the interest in the wide range of topics covered here. In my area there are non Amish people who enjoy riding on our scenic back roads but no one seems to be harping about that. Yes, we do reap what we sow. Oh yes we do…

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      Amish Girl – Rebecca
      Comment on Exemption Solves Smoke Detector Troubles For Wisconsin Amish (July 24th, 2015 at 11:50)

      Kate, thought the same thing when I read that comment. Some people only show up on posts that could be controversial. What’s the big deal anyway ? Here in Holmes we probably have more horses per square mile than about anywhere else in Amish land except maybe Lancaster and there’s never been an issue. Besides as Harriet mentioned it is biodegradable, unlike all the other trash and litter on the side of the roads. Besides it’s not like horses do most of their business on the road. Some horses do it all in the barn and pasture. Now how’s that for potty-trained horses ?:)
      And keep in mind that although manure may cause a smell , at least it’s not polluting the air with gasses.
      Let’s look at life with the glass half full, not half empty. We find what we look for.

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        Kate
        Comment on Exemption Solves Smoke Detector Troubles For Wisconsin Amish (July 24th, 2015 at 15:14)

        Good points, Rebecca. I always enjoy your contributions on here.

        • Agree with Kate, it's nice to have contributions on here from actual Amish like Amish Girl – Rebecca

          Though I’m surprised they have the access and free time to do it. They must be motivated, and I’m glad they are. Amish Girl – Rebecca might be one of those smart-phone-using Amish mentioned elsewhere on this website!

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            Amish Girl-Rebecca
            Comment on Exemption Solves Smoke Detector Troubles For Wisconsin Amish (July 27th, 2015 at 09:44)

            The Other Erik

            I have computer access at work and at 1 of my summer jobs I’m frequently bored, thus the free time to be on here. I’d rather be on here teaching folks the truth about my people, than being bored. And NO, I do not use a smartphone. I wouldn’t even if they were allowed by my church, which they’re not. Believe me once school starts you won’t hear too much from me.
            Because of my work at the Heritage Center I know how many misconceptions are out there about us, so if I can rectify that for even 1 person it’s worth my time being on here. I see it as a mission of sorts, though I wouldn’t allow it to take away from more important things : God time, family time, helping others, and necessary work.
            Have a blessed day !

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    Comment on Wisconsin Amish (July 24th, 2015 at 21:39)

    Wisconsin Amish

    Thank you for your comments KMELA

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    Linda
    Comment on Horse manure agreement, Peacebuilding (July 25th, 2015 at 13:36)

    Horse manure agreement, Peacebuilding

    “Members of Milaca’s Amish community and city leaders appear to have found harmony [in Minnesota] when it comes to the issue of horse feces being left on city streets.
    …Amish elder Melvin Schmucker sternly told members of the City Council putting catch bags on their horses was not an option.
    After some discussion, Mayor Pete Pedersen and Schmucker agreed that the Amish would ride into Milaca in pairs with a bucket and shovel on their buggies. If a horse defecates, the buggy will immediately stop and one of its passengers will clean up the street.
    The Amish said they would rather try that option than employ the catch bags.”
    (Amish agree to clean horse waste)
    http://millelacscountytimes.com/2015/07/23/amish-agree-to-clean-horse-waste/

    It may be helpful in relationships to listen and try to understand the other person’s point of view, even if you don’t agree. Forgiveness is good, too.

    “By and large Anabaptists are peace-loving people,”… “We believe that when Jesus said ‘Love your enemies,’ he meant treat them well and be good to them, talk to them and work out your differences with them. Resolve your conflicts and be reconciled. That is one of the foundations of our church, to live as a people of peace.”
    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2015/07/mennonite_world_conference_har.html

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      Kate
      Comment on Thank you for sharing this. (July 25th, 2015 at 13:47)

      Thank you for sharing this.

      I found this interesting. I know in our little PA town a lot of the non-Amish can be seen shoveling up horse manure from hitching rails and so on. It makes a great additive to gardens and flower beds!

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