17 responses to David McConnell & Lyn Loveless on The Amish & Nature
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    Mike Caron
    Comment on Herpetology and the Amish (February 13th, 2015 at 08:04)

    Herpetology and the Amish

    I just finished Paradox, borrowed from my sister-in-law who lives near Berlin, a way station on my trips between Kansas and Maine, where I am purchasing land near the new Amish settlements in Thorndike and Unity. I am as avidly involved in amateur herpetology as the Amish are in bird-watching, but my Holmes County brother Dave forewarns me never to wear any of my many Kansas Herpetological Society t-shirts when I am visiting them in Ohio Amish country.
    As someone with academic training in cultural geography I am fascinated with the wide variety of beliefs associated with salamanders, turtles, frogs and particularly snakes in various religious, tribal and ethnic groups. I look forward to reading what David and Lyn discover in their research.

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      David McConnell
      Comment on David McConnell & Lyn Loveless on The Amish & Nature (February 13th, 2015 at 09:42)

      Thanks, Mike, for these comments. We’ve come across quite a few interesting snake stories and will likely devote a future post to “reading nature” for signs of God or Satan. May I ask what was behind your brother’s warning not to wear Kansas Herpetological Society t-shirts in Ohio Amish country?

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        mike Caron
        Comment on snake images (February 13th, 2015 at 12:43)

        snake images

        I think my brother was concerned that the snake images on most of the Kansas Herpetological Society t-shirts would be a potential problem with some of his Amish neighbors and businesses we visit when I stop over in Holmes County. Mainly not being unintentionally offensive.

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          Annette
          Comment on David McConnell & Lyn Loveless on The Amish & Nature (February 13th, 2015 at 18:02)

          Were the T-shirts in some way depicting Satan as a serpent or something? (That would strike me odd, given the scientific nature of herpetology)

          Otherwise, I can’t fathom why a t-shirt with snakes on it might be upsetting to the Amish or other plain Christians.

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            Mike Caron
            Comment on snakes (February 13th, 2015 at 18:41)

            snakes

            Not sure where the concern arose. I do recall a story told of Amish men killing a den of wintering snakes, but I have not had an opportunity to do any personal inquiries with Amish about their attitudes toward the snakes that populate Holmes County. My friend the late Joe Collins, wrote a pocket guide to the Ohio snakes. That source shows only four of the 25 snakes found in Ohio have verified occurrences in Holmes County. Some species do occur in many nearby counties. I have no personal knowledge that Amish are any more or less likely to kill snakes encountered in wild. Joe, by the way, was a native son of the Buckeye State. He did wonders to change attitudes about herps here in Kansas.

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    OSIAH HORST
    Comment on Amish and Nature (February 13th, 2015 at 09:06)

    Amish and Nature

    I look forward to what promises to be an interesting book. Any good farmer is naturally attuned to the things of nature since weather, bugs, plant and animal life, etc have such a significant impact in their life. Since the Amish believe in a Creator God who controls these factors, I would think they might be even more
    aware of nature; realizing that cursing the weather or bugs are not the answer. However, not all Amish are birders like David Cline or your Amish friends. Many observe nature naturally in the course of daily, weekly and monthly activities without investing in equipment or time specifically for that purpose.

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    Comment on Fascinating (February 13th, 2015 at 09:40)

    Fascinating

    This sounds like a fascinating look at a little-explored aspect of Amish life. Like most of us who live in the country, I find the Amish I know to have a realistic approach to such subjects as hunting, which sometimes surprises people who have pre-conceived notions of what it means to be Amish.

    Marta Perr

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    Andy White
    Comment on This was thoroughly enjoyable (February 13th, 2015 at 09:54)

    This was thoroughly enjoyable

    We do love nature. We will be taking two or three people down to Avery Island in southernmost Louisiana to help with a work weekend cleaning up and thinning out the Bamboo groves planted by E. A. McIlhenny in the early 1900’s on his Tabasco pepper plantation. Thousands of Snowy Egrets will be nesting, as well as Rosy Spoonbills, Great Blue Herons and many others. A great way to combine birding and be good stewards of Nature that God has blessed us with.

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    Comment on Great idea! (February 13th, 2015 at 11:15)

    Great idea!

    This sounds like a really fascinating and fun project! I, for one, will look forward to your posts.

    In your research, will you be interviewing or observing those Amish who are not as “well-heeled” and cannot afford to travel afar and invest in equipment for things such as bird-watching? Because I think the families who cannot afford these expeditions are likely going to give a more “traditional” view of a commitment to be connected to the earth. And I think this commitment was more important in my community than whether they saw themselves as “stewards of the earth.” (This way of “framing” the issue comes from the way we think, and is not a typical Amish way of thinking).

    I think some Amish tend to be caretakers of the earth, while others have more of a tendency to want to dominate, at least as it comes to the creatures of the earth. This can be seen in the way that people treat their farm animals… some with respect and care, while others are rough in their “care” of them.

    Will you be studying the Amish in Holmes County only, or will you study those in say Lancaster County? I think you will get quite a different perspective in these two communities as you explore these questions.

    I know that when issues of world population came up when I was still in the community, the prevailing belief was, “God will take care of it.” This was also their belief about their genetic issues. They believed that it was playing God to concern themsleves with what they saw as God’s domain. I don’t know if this was just in the Geauga community or if this is a more generally held belief of the Amish.

    I wish you the best with your research. I’m a bird-watcher too, but I’d clearly be outflanked, as you described what you felt. I think this is something new, by the way. I never knew any Amish to invest in such things where I grew up. But I’ve been away for 30 some years.

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      David McConnell
      Comment on David McConnell & Lyn Loveless on The Amish & Nature (February 14th, 2015 at 15:12)

      A lot of our fieldwork will be in Holmes County, simply because it is closest to where we live. But we also plan to visit at least a dozen or so other Amish settlements to try to capture some of the important differences that you mention. Birding, for example, has not caught on in other large Amish settlements to the extent that it has in Holmes County, for a variety of reasons. And we’ve also noticed–like you–that more conservative Amish communities tend to “live” their connection to the earth in ways that are not readily expressed in language. Amish ways of life also intersect with environmental issues that may be local or regional, rather than national. Amish farmers in Lancaster County, for instance, have been quite involved in EPA efforts to clean up the “dead zone” in Chesapeake Bay. So yes, capturing the differences across settlements, affiliations, and regions is important to us–but also a big challenge since we can’t possibly visit 480 Amish settlements. This is one reason why we appreciate the opportunity to share our progress reports and get suggestions from all of you who are such keen observers of Amish life.

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    Naomi Wilson
    Comment on David McConnell & Lyn Loveless on The Amish & Nature (February 13th, 2015 at 12:07)

    What an enjoyable topic, and what excellent questions from David and Lyn. I look forward to more.

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    Mark – Holmes Co.
    Comment on David McConnell & Lyn Loveless on The Amish & Nature (February 13th, 2015 at 14:51)

    We enjoy nature & bird watching, but our “equipment” is pretty cheap & basic and I can’t imagine spending a lot on traveling just for bird-watching, but to each his own… Maybe I spend more on my hobbies than a bird-watcher thinks is reasonable. :)

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    Linda
    Comment on Eagle Cam Pennsylvania (February 13th, 2015 at 18:10)

    Eagle Cam Pennsylvania

    Generally, just being outside a person can see and hear more of nature. You can hear more crickets and birds even inside the house if the windows are open. A woman may observe more birds when hanging laundry on a clothesline, than using an indoor dryer.

    One way to observe nature indoors, is online. A live Eagle Cam in Pennsylvania can be seen at

    http://lancasteronline.com/eaglecam/

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    Elva Bontrager
    Comment on Snakes on the farm (February 14th, 2015 at 13:05)

    Snakes on the farm

    Since the Amish communities in which I was reared were not large by the standards of Ohio or Indiana I have a problem in knowing whether my experience was Amish, per se, or due just to individual families.

    For instance, my own family was headed by my dad who grew up on a North Dakota farm and my mother, born in Michigan, who had a Bishop dad who was sent to various Amish communities. Their views were often at variance with each other.

    One thing they had in common was an abhorrence (I don’t think the word is too strong) of snakes. Good, bad or neutral, snakes were killed wherever they were found. My mother, at least, felt snakes were a symbol for Satan, straight from the garden of Eden, and both my parents reacted to them as though snakes were evil.

    The dragonfly, one of my own favorites, was called a ‘snake doctor’. Mom didn’t like them, either.

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      Mark – Holmes Co.
      Comment on David McConnell & Lyn Loveless on The Amish & Nature (February 14th, 2015 at 14:00)

      We use the name dragonfly now, but I remember being younger and hearing them called “schlange doctore” also. I wonder where that came from? I am very squeamish about snakes but I don’t go after them unless they are in a spot they are a danger or nuisance. (We once had two in our basement!) I might shudder when I see one then go the other way, but I can think of people (Amish & non-Amish) who will kill any snake they come across while I can also think of some who don’t mind them at all, like the older Amish couple who has a lot of black snakes around their buildings but say they are great at keeping mice & rats under control in the barn. What I was going to get at with snakes & barns is something that happened years back when church services in the upper level of a barn in the summertime came to a very sudden & loud end when a good sized black snake dropped from the upper beams onto the women seated below it. I’m sure it was “accidental” on the snake’s part, but it sounds like the women reacted as though they were under attack.

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    Mike Caron
    Comment on Snake symbolism in Christian traditions (February 14th, 2015 at 16:02)

    Snake symbolism in Christian traditions

    Ralph Hood and Paul Williamson mainly write about Pentecostal snake-handling, but the bibliography in Them That Believe includes many works that examine the psychology and ethnology of snakes in a wide range of Christian traditions, including the Amish (see Hood, Hill & Williamson 2005 The Psychology of Religious Fundamentalism-ch 5 & 6). One thing is certain. There is no reliable generalization that can be made about Amish attitudes toward “serpents” in the barn, the field or under rocks deep in the woods. I hope to ask my Amish neighbors in Thorndike about snakes when I relocate to that part of Maine this summer.Maybe herpetology will catch on there like birding has in Holmes County!

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    Sandra K
    Comment on David McConnell & Lyn Loveless on The Amish & Nature (February 24th, 2015 at 20:51)

    What an interesting topic to research!

    From my uneducated (of Amish mores and customs) view, I would think there would be a diversity of interest within all the communities based on how successful their life efforts are: i.e., someone with a well-appointed and well-run farming/other business with lots of help is likely to be more able to spend the time needed to keep lists and diaries with state-of-the-art equipment, traveling to places afar to further them.

    All farmers, would likely be very attuned to weather and signs of nature (budding of certain plants, migration patterns or diversion thereof of birds, sightings of various animals throughout the seasons, in order that they can do some prediction of planting and harvest.

    Another point: that there is no TV or radio probably impacts one’s ability to make and maintain such lists and records. How much more thoughtful and productive in our personal pursuits would we be without these distractions.

    I don’t know if it would be a complement to your research, but assuming birding lists are submitted to an organization, you may find communities that tend to be more active in the pursuit…then, compare and contrast those that have much less interest.

    As I said, and interesting topic.

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