11 responses to Amish and the public
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    Tom Keenan
    Hertzler auction (October 17th, 2011 at 06:28)

    Hertzler auction

    Friday 10-14-11 I drove to Little Valley to make a donation of five Amish made quilts for the Hertzler auction. I have a grand niece and a daughter with special needs and wanted to show my support for the Hertzler family. It was comforting to see about 100 Amish men and women working to ready the auction site. There were many Conewango Amish that I know working that day. Amish folks show a true Christian spirit of helping their neighbor…something we all should practice. God bless

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      Paul A. B.
      Amish and the public (October 25th, 2011 at 23:28)

      I will tell you what I find beautiful about the Amish and Mennonite communities. They help one another: in this way, they form a true society. The rest of us North Americans have been formed by what I consider to be an often unhealthy preoccupation with competition rather than co-operation. Looked at in Christian terms, we perceive our fellow human beings as competing with us: for work, for commodities, for prestige, for respect, for status, etc. There is a sickness to it all that the Amish work very deliberately to exclude from their lives. Yes, we have A LOT to learn from the Amish–especially as regards isolation and this constant (and very artificial) need to constantly best each other. In the Amish way I see much serenity.

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        Valerie
        Agree With You (October 26th, 2011 at 06:36)

        Agree With You

        Paul, I agree with what you said 100% and I believe that is what so many are recognizing and why they are drawn to learn more. They will admit to having problems of their own, but by & large, we have alot to glean from them.

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          Paul A. B.
          Amish and the public (October 26th, 2011 at 12:38)

          And the irony is that while some mainstream people look at the Amish and Mennonites and think of them as “freaks”, Amish folks are probably riding out this recession better than many in the mainstream! And it’s precisely their values–what materially focused and smug people pejoratively call backward–that are showing their timeless wisdom. Thing is, you just can’t lose with a humble, reasoned relationship with material goods. But, if you overreach your abilities and chase after stuff and image–these things can prove very ephemeral and unreliable. Yes, our society has much to learn from the Amish.

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    Lattice
    Amish and the public (October 17th, 2011 at 08:00)

    It’s interesting, for sure. It seems that the community under attack had already tried it their way (excommunicating Mullet, and followers). I noticed in a video interview posted earlier how clearly Mullet wanted to stress that this was religious business, so local law enforcement had essentially no jurisdiction (paraphrase). Playing this card, it seems to me, might have some pretty negative repercussions for the Amish when it comes time for them to rightfully use this point.

    I wonder about the Anabaptists of history – the ones who were martyred for their religious convictions… Do you suppose they would have accepted the aid of public law enforcement had it been available to them (I’m assuming it wasn’t due to combination of Church and State)?

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      Amish and the public (October 17th, 2011 at 08:10)

      It was not available to them, as they were martyred by the State. Their only choice was to flee if they could.

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    Two Kingdoms theology (October 17th, 2011 at 08:09)

    Two Kingdoms theology

    As theologically conservative Anglicans, and Plain people, who think much as the Amish do about being involved in the world. We did accept my husband’s Canada pension ofr his disability, as it required contributions from him throughout his working life, and he does not qualify for the church pension for two years more. We would not be exempt from contributions to our national pension plan, as msot Anglicans do not see any issue with it.

    Involvement with the police as victims of crime would be another matter. Although we have lost farm tools and household items to theft, and have even known who (probably) took them, it would not be likely we would go to the police. First, they were items of low value and the injury was slight, and as in the well-known “turn the other cheek” passage, Jesus also says to let the robber have your tunic as well as your cloak. We don’t have many items of greater value. If someone were to steal our only vehicle, I would prefer to call in the police for its possible recovery and to help stop the criminals before they got a taste for the work and started robbing other people. The possibility that anyone would steal my 2004 beat-up Dodge Dakota is pretty low, though.

    I think the assaulted Amish in this incident were right to cooperate with the police. The threat remained that it would happen to someone else,and violence escalates. This Bergholz group, from what I hear, needs to be checked. They have caused trouble before and can’t rightly be cosndiered as truly Amish since they have crossed the line of violence. While even Amish people may strike out in anger occasionally,a nd family violence isn’t unknown, this was planned as revenge, far from a Christian action.

    As for the little boy who needs medical care, if someone will provide a contact address for his church, perhaps other people here would like to help. I will publicize the need if I have more information.

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      Amish and the public (October 17th, 2011 at 08:23)

      Magdalena it was interesting to read how you approach this issue. And glad you mentioned the contact address. This is what I’ve gotten, taken from another news piece on the auction:

      Hertzler Hospital Fund at Cattaraugus County Bank
      P.O. Box 227
      Little Valley, NY 14755.

      http://www.post-journal.com/page/content.detail/id/592279/An-Auction-For-Amos.html?nav=5057

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    Kim
    Comment on Amish and the Public (October 17th, 2011 at 09:09)

    Comment on Amish and the Public

    I really appreciate your articles and your forum. I live near many Mennonite and Amish communities in upstate New York. As I Christian myself I try to respect others, as Jesus did.
    When it come to a number of situations with the Amish, I can’t help but think that this really boils down to “situational ethics” in it’s purest form. When something occurs, the response varies so widely between groups– depending on what the elders of that particular group decide is ethical for their own group.
    I guess that’s harmless in most cases, unless it causes anguish between groups, or physical danger in the case of women drowning due to wearing skirts, for instance, or a child who is too close to some dangerous farm equipment. Seems like each elder ruling group makes up the rules and uses the Bible as their excuse…..and that certainly isn’t the first time in history that has been done….

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      Amish and the public (October 17th, 2011 at 17:55)

      I’m not quite understanding how wearing skirts would drown a woman. (I’m pretty sure I can swim in a dress, for instance, having done so.) And children other than Amish are injured and killed in farm accidents each year.

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    health insurance (October 17th, 2011 at 09:13)

    health insurance

    Amish having no health insurance has always been an interesting point to me. Mainly because I know just how expensive health care can be. My son recently spent 5 days in the hospital having his vp shunt revised and the hospital bill was over $80,000 (usually it is just a 1 to 2 night stay). I am very happy to have health insurance! While our community has been helpful – they did a benefit for us right after Isaac was diagnosed with cancer – it wouldn’t even make a dent in the medical bills if we didn’t have insurance. I have admiration that the Amish are able to raise the funds themselves for their medical care.

    Thank you for providng the address Eric (and Magdalena for asking). I pray this little boy gets the surgery he needs soon.

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