11 responses to Amish Midwives Given Probation, Must Stop Practicing
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    Alice Mary
    Comment on Amish Midwives Given Probation, Must Stop Practicing (August 27th, 2018 at 15:48)

    The Amish are not above the law. They (as I’ve learned here and elsewhere) purport to “respect authority”, the government. That these women say they “taught themselves” midwifery is frightening, as is the fact that they used veterinary medicine on women in their care. They were warned against continuing, and they ignored the warnings from “government.” No matter how many people “forgive” them (for the death of even one baby) it’s still not an excuse to break the law. Hopefully, Amish women will reconsider where and how they give birth. I’m aware there are reputable “birthing centers” in Amish communities. I hope they’re used as intended, for the health of mothers and babies alike.

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      Penelope
      Comment on Training and Veterinary Meds (August 27th, 2018 at 18:07)

      Training and Veterinary Meds

      Please read my post. You are quite inaccurate on the veterinary medicine.
      As for training themselves, I’m certain they learned under the skills of another midwife.
      My first birth was horrific, the Dr. felt I wasn’t progressing fast enough, so give me Pitocin, I suffered all night, during active birth, he was in a rush, so slice without consulting me, pulled my daughter out so forcefully, he dislocated her hip, resulting in physical therapy and a brace, a the while NO fetal distress was observed. Second birth, same situation, different doctor, he said if you don’t push this baby out in 15 minutes, I’m doing a C-section, he rapidly cut me, he was rushed. Third birth, a medically trained midwifery practice, one was just back from working in Africa, the main one I saw was a single Mom to 5, I had absolutely zero stress, played cards with my husband, when my midwife asked if I was ready, I said no, which relieved her to tend to a birth of twins. No cutting, natural birth, easy delivery, such a huge difference. My last pregnancy resulted in a miscarriage, I had my preborn baby at home, alone, as there was no way to stop, I was blessed to have a very dear friend call me after another friend phoned her to have her help me through the loss. Women can help each other, whether trained or not, most of us have an ingrained sense of right and wrong when having a baby. For me, I have to say a midwife is the best way to go unless there are complications, even then midwives call for help.

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        Katherine Behr
        Comment on To Penelope on Amish midwives (September 2nd, 2018 at 15:31)

        To Penelope on Amish midwives

        I am a research dietitian. When I was pregnant, I sought the help of a certified nurse midwife. She had a bachelor’s in nursing and a master’s in nurse midwifery.
        Friends of mine who also had degrees in biology went through hell in their pregnancies with obstetricians who prescribed antibiotics for a bladder infection which caused vaginal and urinary tract Candida that they didn’t bother to address. After seeing what my friends went through, I chose a nurse-midwife.
        When there was a problem, she sent me to a med school ER. I had a very athletic and active baby who had tangled in the cord and cut off her own oxygen.
        I still think I got better care from the nurse-midwife than I would have from an M.D.

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    Jayme Larmon
    Comment on Ridiculous (August 27th, 2018 at 16:17)

    Ridiculous

    Delivering babies for 37 years & there’s 1 death (and not at birth)? What are the mortality rates for doctors- in hospitals- over that same course of time, I wonder?

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    Penelope
    Comment on Amish Midwives (August 27th, 2018 at 17:54)

    Amish Midwives

    This has been an extremely difficult case. One hand, most Amish avoid allopathic medicine until necessary, and for centuries women have given birth without any medical care. On the other hand, these highly skilled and competent women are obviously well trained in this needed medical field and their infant mortality rate is the lowest in the world. Amish are separate in their walk, as I am in my Christian faith, I prefer to avoid the allopathic field as I find they tend to over medicate based on current trends, drug manufacturer bonuses, and many plain don’t listen. Midwives, Doulas and family can handle it. If I had to do my 4 birthday over (one miscarriage) I would have opted to only use a midwife, trained in common sense. By the way, on using Veterinary grade medicine, it is no different than human medicine, they cannot sell a lesser grade for a prized animal or a pet!
    Since the Amish won’t fight back legally, the government will prevail. Will this stop Amish from their own “doctoring” never. God bless them.

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    Dale Ann Harsh
    Comment on Satistics (August 28th, 2018 at 07:59)

    Satistics

    For those who wondered… the current infant mortality rate in the US is 6.3 deaths per 1000 live births. This is felt to be rather high for a ‘developed’ nation but may relate to the multiple cultures and various socioeconomic levels present in the country. A more homogenous nation, Iceland, has a rate of 2.9. Birthing practices are changing here, too slowly for some, and midwifery is making a comeback. ‘Natural’ births are certainly more common now than the ‘advanced’ practice of previous decades when the mother was medicated into oblivion and the baby delivered, by forceps if required, and handed over once Mama woke up again…she doesn’t get to lay around in the hospital for a week either. But, as a general and accepted rule, midwife practitioners are formally trained and have an association with a physician and hospital in the event of complications.
    Amish communities occasionally cooperate with authorities on health matters…as in vaccinating during epidemics. This may be an issue that needs to be considered for that kind of collaboration. As it’s not likely the community will give up their reliance on midwifery in favor of modern medical practices it seems training for those who practice the art would be a good compromise.

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    WKT
    Comment on Another View (August 28th, 2018 at 08:39)

    Another View

    The State is ready to “stop” the possible abuse of babies being delivered by Amish midwives. However, it is unwilling and uninterested in stopping the killing of innocent babies terminated by abortion. Perhaps justice is neither blind nor reasonable.

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      T. Miller
      Comment on The President, the House and the Senate are all pro-life???? (August 28th, 2018 at 11:40)

      The President, the House and the Senate are all pro-life????

      This is hard to figure. The platform of the ruling party in power is strongly pro-life and anti-abortion. The President is pro-life. The ruling party has a majority in the House, which common sense would indicate the House is pro-life. The same can be said for the Senate. All of them have a majority pro-life membership. Soooo what is going on? To top it all off the DEMOCRATS FOR LIFE OF AMERICA is a strong pro-life lobby in the Democratic Party, and has some members in Congress. Something else is going on, obviously. Can we trust ANY of the poiliticians these days? No wonder most Amish don’t vote. The same is so for most Plain People.

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    Debbie Halcomb
    Comment on midwives (August 28th, 2018 at 08:46)

    midwives

    I agree with the sentence. Much worse crimes are given probation over and over again. Banning them from practicing is sufficient punishment for using veterinary drugs in my opinion. Since this was such a publicly tried case I am sure the probation will be scrutinized for the next few years.

    We as a nation have become harsh towards others. I believe if we became more forgiving as a nation, rather than judgmental and angry, lour nation would prosper again.

    Just my opinion, you do not have to agree.

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    T. Miller
    Comment on They pled guilty because..... (August 28th, 2018 at 11:31)

    They pled guilty because.....

    This is a sad case, but the women pled “guilty” becaue they are. They admitted their crime, and I respect them for telling the truth. They ARE guilty as charged.

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    Tammy
    Comment on Amish midwives (August 28th, 2018 at 14:43)

    Amish midwives

    As a (licensed) home birth midwife who works often with Amish (and Mennonite) families, I have had the opportunity to meet with and work with some Amish midwives over the years. This is tireless work and these women serve their communities well often for nothing more than a dozen eggs for all their time away from their own homes and their own families. I would put an Amish midwife’s birth statistics up against any local hospitals any day of the week. I wonder what the local hospital in Sylvia and Lydiann’s area has for maternal and neonatal outcomes – someone should look that up. I bet they have delivered more babies than most doctors in their area. And I absolutely guarantee you that their c/section rate is lower by at least half than the local hospital. Instead of vilifying these women who have spent their lives serving their community -at the community’s request- perhaps the local medical community could find a way to support them and offer to fill in any knowledge gaps and access to equipment they may need.

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