35 responses to Amish Images by Arment Photography
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    Mark – Holmes Co.
    Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (July 9th, 2014 at 08:32)

    I’ve NEVER heard of someone who is not a church member (Amish) being shunned… How can a person be shunned from a church he was never a member of???
    It was interesting to read about the picture taking. It sounds more complicated than I realized — more than just “click”. 🙂
    I really like the windmill & tree picture!

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      Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (July 9th, 2014 at 09:19)

      A good question and the description caught my eye too Mark, though I interpreted “shunning” more as a figure of speech. Members of an Amish church can certainly disassociate, avoid, or treat differently a non-member for whatever reason, even if it is not technically “shunning”–just like I may choose to avoid any person I feel is a bad influence or simply don’t like personally.

      I know an English person who experienced something like this in a different community for different reasons. I can ask David if he has anything to add.

      I did also like how he went more in-depth here about the nuts and bolts of photography.

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        Comment on Shunning (July 20th, 2014 at 17:28)

        Shunning

        The effect of shunning was a big issue for my wife. Not so much for me. The reason was that, as I said my wife divorced me and Pam (my wife) husband had divorced her. When we married we moved into her house which was on 15 acres and we had many Amish neighbors. The neighbor to our immediate North was the local Bishop. He was the person who instructed we be shunned.

        Since I didn’t know anyone I had not idea what was “normal” as everything was new to me. But the stopped visiting our place, stopped sending cards at birthdays (etc.). Would not talk to Pam (or me) when they normally would have. So Pam’s feeling were hurt.

        She normally had a neighborhood picnic and everyone for miles around would come and swim in the pond and feed the fish and wade in the creek, and run in the grass. She skipped it for a couple of years due to the shunning.

        As I think I said… Some Amish were as mystified as we were, and would say to us how can you be shunned? You are not Amish.

        As time went on Pam continued to take over flowers from her garden and send cards trying to keep some normalcy. So as time went on the Sunning seemed to go away.

        We went to see a newborn. This was the son of the Bishop who shunned us. When he saw our car he and his wife came over and we all had a wonderful visit.

        Time has a way of healing most wounds.

        I hoped that was helpful to you.

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    Comment on Salt of the Earth! (July 9th, 2014 at 08:58)

    Salt of the Earth!

    I know David and Pam personally; they are the salt of the earth! David has been very generous in sharing with me when I started a local digital magazine called inMiddlebury.com. I continue to support them in whatever way I can, as they are wonderful, caring people. You will not be disappointed if you visit their gallery or website. Their gallery is located in Shipshewana off of Morton Street in what is called “The Courtyard of Arts” where 3-5 small cabin-style shops are located in a square.

    Thanks for sharing about David and Pam!

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      Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (July 9th, 2014 at 09:32)

      Thanks Tammy! I haven’t been to the physical gallery yet, but I think David was saying to follow the signs. As anyone who’s been there knows there is a lot happening in Shipshewana. I’ve never been to the flea market either, but sounds like David’s comments above are what I need to know 🙂

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      Comment on Thank You Tammy (July 20th, 2014 at 17:58)

      Thank You Tammy

      Tammy is a real peach. She has been front row center to see some of my personal struggles and with God’s help I survived some times when I would just as soon have “gone on home”.

      Thanks Tammy for your support. It means a lot.

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    Juanita Cook
    Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (July 9th, 2014 at 09:03)

    Love all the pictures you shared with us. Really enjoyed reading your comments on the pictures as well.

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      Comment on Thank You Juanita (July 20th, 2014 at 17:59)

      Thank You Juanita

      Thanks for your kind comments. I hope you had a nice weekend and will have a good week.

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    Comment on Love your work! (July 9th, 2014 at 09:32)

    Love your work!

    Some really cool stuff here, David. I just regret that we didn’t know about your shop in our recent visit to Shipshewana.

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      Comment on Go online (July 9th, 2014 at 09:39)

      Go online

      It’s not too late–go online! (No, David is not paying me to say this. 🙂 I just believe in him!

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        Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (July 9th, 2014 at 09:51)

        Oh, didn’t mean to say that it was too late to view (which I have done) or purchase his stuff. My point was that I would have enjoyed meeting him personally and “talking shop” photographer-to-photographer.

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      Comment on There is Always Next Time (July 20th, 2014 at 18:01)

      There is Always Next Time

      Hi Don,

      I hope you will come and visit us on your next visit to Shipshe.

      Thanks,

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    Alice Mary
    Comment on Eye of the beholder... (July 9th, 2014 at 11:36)

    Eye of the beholder...

    Beautiful photos, but I still like “nitty gritty” reality over photoshopped images. (I guess I like “documentary” photos over “art” photos. I almost wish I didn’t know what was changed. I like most of the shots, and intend to “shop” their website.

    My husband took up photography over 40 years ago, using a Nikkormat (couldn’t afford the Nikon he really wanted). Many were the hours I spent waiting for him to be done using our (then) one and only bathroom as a darkroom. Nowadays, he uses mainly video (choosing stills) and digital photography along with photoshop and various other modern photography “tools”. We have countless shots (on DVD, mostly) of our 2 granddaughters, ages 1 & 3—many more, I’m sure, than our own parents ever took of us as kids. To me, too many is worse than too few (which become more precious as time goes on). A dilemma, for me!

    The photo with the laundry took me by surprise, as the silhouette of the laundry against the sky looked like the teeth of a sawblade.

    Thank you for sharing your photos and your comments & descriptions. You and your wife are artists, after all, not documentary filmmakers! 🙂 If I’m ever back in Shipshe, I hope to stop in and meet you both!

    Erik, this one’s a keeper!

    Alice Mary

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    Margaret
    Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (July 9th, 2014 at 14:40)

    Loved reading this…thanks for sharing!

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    Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (July 9th, 2014 at 19:41)

    Wonderful Pictures……thanks so much for sharing. Good photographers know that composing the picture is an important part of photography. Also, I have taken out lots of telephone poles using Photoshop.

    I can also relate to what was said about photography of today. Several friends say I am crazy to lug around a tripod and such a heavy camera when (they think) their iPhone can take just as good a pictures…..NOT. Perhaps I can say I am a semi-pro only because I understand all the settings of my Canon 7D and there are lots of possible settings. My biggest frustration is having to pass up some wonderful shots because I refuse to take a facial picture of any Amish. One day I was out in the country and my wife was driving. A dozen Amish kids were sitting on a fence and when we got close they all waved at me. What a shot that would have made.

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      Comment on Telephone Poles (July 20th, 2014 at 18:04)

      Telephone Poles

      I worked on a photo last night of a handmade sign that was advertising brown eggs for sale. I couldn’t decide whether or not to remove some telephone poles and I remember this post and it inspired me to go ahead and do it.

      Telephone poles are a menace.

      A lot harder to remove that “road apples” that the horses leave behind… but you can leave some telephone poles, but you cant leave much or many “road apples”.

      Thanks for your comment.

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    Gayle Grabowski
    Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (July 10th, 2014 at 14:19)

    Thank you David for sharing these beautiful photographs! I learned a few tips to produce more creative digital photography as well! I am looking forward to visiting your gallery – hopefully this fall. God Bless!

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      Comment on Photo Tips (July 20th, 2014 at 18:12)

      Photo Tips

      I am happy to help anyone who has questions about photography. The use of Photoshop and “plug ins” is something I really love.

      But many people simply don’t know how their camera works and they would like to.

      My Nikon 800 came with a really good book. It is helpful to simply read the book that comes with the camera.

      Cameras, these days, are really cameras AND computers. They record the information and you then coax it out of the camera with software. So it helps to know the basics of photography and then to know how your particular camera processes the information.

      To me… the basics are speed and light. If you have a lot of light then you can have fast speed (low ISO and / or fast shutter). If you have little light then you need slower speed (high ISO / slow shutter.

      The first thing to learn is how speed and light work on the film (or sensor) in the camera. How you adjust for the speed for light. After you get those two things figured out the other things fall in line (priority wise)… but I don’t teach camera classes or write books on photography so I will kindly defer to anyone who does.

      Again, I will help where and when asked.

      Thanks,

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        Comment on Photography Questions... (July 20th, 2014 at 23:43)

        Photography Questions...

        David, if you’re open to questions I have a couple to run by you…

        1) What primary default settings (e.g. mode) do you set your camera on? I started out on a Canon AE1 Program years ago, and I relied on the Program mode by default — then carried that over to digital when I got my Nikon. But the newer setting options give so much more flexibility I’m still trying to settle on my new ‘norm.’

        2) What plug ins do you recommend. I only became aware of such a few weeks ago, but haven’t ventured into any of them yet. (I’m using PS Elements v11 (which I’m not super fond of, but that’s a whole different matter.)

        Thanks.

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          Comment on Settings (July 22nd, 2014 at 08:43)

          Settings

          I’m going to answer your last question first.

          The plug ins I use the most are from Topaz Labs. Money is alawyas an issue (for me). If you can just afford one then go for the “Detail” plug in.

          I use the regular Photoshop. I used Elements for a long time once and had good success with it.

          About settings…

          I don’t teach people how to use there camera or write books. I just know what I think I know. I’m glad to help people but there are better experts than me.

          There are settings on my camera that are the ones you set and don’t mess with (normally speaking) from “shot to shot”) On my Nikon these are the “Shooting Menu”. This is where you set White Balance, Active D-Lighting, ISO sensitivity, Auto Distortion Control etc. On my camera there is a short explanation for each setting if you push the button for explanation (which is represented by the question mark).

          But you question refers to the program mode so I think you are asking how my camera is set up from shot to shot.

          First I only shoot RAW. I used to switch it back and forth depending upon what the shot was going to be used for. If you are taking a picture of a sunset and you want a full range of color then raw is best. If you are taking a picture of an item to put on Ebay then RAW is “over kill”… so I would switch back and forth. BUT, then I would take a wonderful, wonderful picture of something only to find I’d never moved the quality setting back to RAW, so now I just leave it set there.

          I also shoot a lot in “program” mode, only moving the ISO for the light at a given time of day. If the sujbect is in shadows then I move the light meter setting from a broad spectrum to a more narrow spectrum or even on point of light reading. I don’t know if you camera has that setting.

          I also adjust the focus settings a lot from shot to shot. Depending upon the shot. If there is a horse in the middle of the field and I only really care about him being in focus then I will adjust those settings.

          I will go “off program” primarily to either add or remove bokeh. You do this and adjust the aperture. The smaller the aperture the better the depth of field, meaning that everything will be in focus (generally speaking). BUT when you reduce the aperture setting less light enters the camera so your camera will automatically increase your shutter speed. (In the old days we had do to do this ourselves.)

          On rare occasion when you want something to be blurred or you want to shoot fireworks then you would adjust your shutter speed. Which would take you “off program”.

          I suggest you take your camera off program and experiment. The nice thing about digital is it cost you nothing to do so… you just throw away the bad images.

          I hope this helps.

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            Comment on Settings -- Redirect.... (July 22nd, 2014 at 10:33)

            Settings -- Redirect....

            Thanks for the helpful reply David. I can appreciate that you don’t teach folks how to use these cameras — I was just curious to know how you handled your camera to possibly expand my own options. If I may note a couple of things for any expanded comments:

            1) I shoot a Nikon D7100. I now only shoot RAW + JPEG, have shot almost exclusively in Program mode from day one. (I have experimented with the others, but came back to P as my default.) However, some situations of late have proven to not be so P friendly — namely what feels to be too weighted toward to faster-shutter-speed / lower f-stop end of the spectrum. (I wish there was a setting that would allow me to “shift” that default.) I have loved — and used quite extensively — the rear-thumbwheel for altering the f-stop-to-shutter-speed balance, but am just wondering if there is an alternative set-it-and-forget-it option. Lately I’ve gone “off program,” as you say, opting for Aperture Priority with a default to something in the 6-7 range — with some result markedly better, and some not so much so.

            2) I’m curious about the range of ISO settings that you use and find acceptable. Going back to film days I shot only 64 or 100 ASA, and I’m having trouble trusting the camera for quality above the very lowest ISO settings. The ads say that the D7100 is supposed to be superior to previous models in quality for some of the mid-range ISO’s, but I was wondering if a professional camera jockey would agree with that.

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              Comment on Settings (December 13th, 2014 at 11:24)

              Settings

              Hi Don,

              I see I didn’t respond to this one. I didn’t get a notice that you had posted.

              too late???

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                Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (December 13th, 2014 at 12:31)

                No, never to late for me to learn how to do better. I would still love to hear any insights you would be interested in sharing.

                Since I posted that in July I have invested in three larger books on my camera, and they have been a tremendous help and I’m feeling some better about the quality I’m getting out of my camera. But I’m always open for ways to make it even better.

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                  Comment on Camera Stuff (December 13th, 2014 at 12:50)

                  Camera Stuff

                  I don’t know the answer to all these issues. I have shifted my thinking on ISO settings of recent. For years I’ve always set the ISO “manually”, but once in a while I miss a shot because I’ve go the ISO too low. So on my camera there is an Iso setting that only “kicks in” when the ISO setting is too low for the available light. It compensates and goes to an ISO setting that is more likely to produce a good result. So that is what I’m doing now… unless I just know I want something different.

                  My camera also has a separate function that overrides the automatic settings by letting you decrease the stop in increments. So lets say it is near dark and you are in a program mode. You release the shutter and you get an exposure that is just like mid-day. That would be fine if it were mid-day, but it isn’t. So you can use this function to stop down (or stop up) and make an evening shot look like an evening shot.

                  I’m not a professional. I’m someone who is obsessed enough to stop what he was doing to do what he’s obsessed with. My decision to do this “full time” came when I died on an airplane during a business trip. When I was revived and in the days that followed I decided to do what I loved because “time is short”.

                  Thanks,

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                Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (December 13th, 2014 at 12:36)

                If I may add an new question to the mix…. Do you use a tripod, or hand-held? (Which gets back into the ISO question I asked earlier.) Do you do your photography “on the sly” (“snatching” up your camera after the buggy goes by so as to not ‘bother’ the Amish), or do you set there with tripod set up, wave as they go by, then take the picture as they get into a shootable position?

                Thanks.

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                  Mark – Holmes Co.
                  Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (December 13th, 2014 at 12:42)

                  To me it seems if you know the people being photographed might not like it, either way would be disrespectful.

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                    Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (December 13th, 2014 at 15:05)

                    Mark, I understand and appreciate your comment. But understand that my question (to which you responded to) was strictly asked from the perspective of the mechanics of taking the shot, not so much the ethics side of it.

                    But moving to the ethics side (since you bring it up) I get so much flak (not from you, BTW) from the English side, and yet I get conformation time and again from the Amish that it often isn’t a big deal. A OOA lady running a B&B in Ohio told me “we won’t pose for you, but you’re welcome to take all the pictures of us you want.” Recently had a NOA guy tell me the same thing. Had an Amish man in OH even volunteer his kids for pictures, and admitted to staging for pictures with his horse and buggy (although he was identifiable). I’ve had an Amish man in his 70’s or 80’s tell me that at an auction I would probably be fine as long as I didn’t get up in anyone’s face. I even posted to an ex-Amish group and asked about how the Amish feel about it, and overwhelmingly the answer was that it was no problem. (One even told me the best way to was go ahead and take the pics, because if I asked they might feel obligated to say no even though it wasn’t a problem.)

                    I’m not saying that I go by such loose guidelines. In fact, rarely will I take a picture if I know that an Amish person will know that I’m taking it. But when you say that it is disrespectful when “someone might not like it” — well, I’m finding more and more that makes me wonder just how much many of the might not.

                    Your insight/response to this is more than welcome.

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                      Comment on Amish Pictures (December 13th, 2014 at 15:11)

                      Amish Pictures

                      As with all things Amish… the answer is “it depends”.

                      Here – in Northern Indiana – we are not suppose to take pictures of faces. So (hopefully) you won’t see any of my pictures with Amish faces.

                      And as with all things Amish, that’s the way it is here TODAY. We will see about tomorrow when it gets here.

                      Thanks,

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                      Mark – Holmes Co.
                      Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (December 13th, 2014 at 15:31)

                      You could ask different people and get different responses even within a group. For example, while I don’t find it overly-offensive I still don’t like it but my wife really dislikes it and it makes her very uncomfortable. In our group you’ll find a variety of opinions from those who don’t mind posing at all to those who find it very offensive to be photographed. There are also Amish groups in our community who are very opposed to it. So just like in any large group of humans, there may be a difference in feelings & opinions.
                      It’s worth pointing out I have my photo on my Ohio non-driver ID and my passport, so it’s obviously not a religious issue for me, but it’s my own feeling formed from living in a community that gets over 4 million tourists a year, many of whom want to take pictures. I guess it just gets to be intrusive and since many of these people seem to know there is a chance the person being photographed might not like it, it can feel disrespectful to some people.
                      But don’t take it as a slam… if the person being photographed doesn’t mind, I don’t see any reason not to. I guess we all have our personal ideas of space & privacy. I know of English people who say they don’t like being snapped, so I’m guessing there might be a variety of opinions in the larger society, too. 🙂

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                      Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (December 13th, 2014 at 16:24)

                      Sorry David, we are so many branches in this thread that I can no comment directly on your comment, and thus have to back up to the previous branch.

                      Interesting comment on the “no faces” rule there. I say “interesting” because within the last 2-3 weeks I was told by in ex-Amish from Shipshewana that the folks there were so used to the tourists that it wasn’t a problem. So like you imply, the only norm is that there is no norm.

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    Katie Troyer
    Comment on Amish Images by Arment Photography (July 11th, 2014 at 12:00)

    I love these photos.

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    Linda Northern Illinois
    Comment on Horses (December 13th, 2014 at 11:03)

    Horses

    A few years back I viewed at a frame shop a beautiful picture or photo of horses pulling logs in the woods. What caught my eye is the breathing of the horses. You could actually see the air of the horses breathing from their nostrils. I thought it was very unusual. Is it possible you can catch or click on a scene where the horses are hard at work. Of course this was a winter scene but it felt like I was right there viewing the action.

    Luv your work!

    Oh, by the way, your wife should have worn a patch for the sea sickness in Alaska. Saved me. LUV Alaska.
    Erik: Are there any Amish that are toughing it out in Alaska?

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      Comment on Pictures where you can see horse's Breath (December 13th, 2014 at 11:23)

      Pictures where you can see horse's Breath

      I went through and looked at those pictures where I could see the horse’s breath… here is what I found… maybe I missed a couple?

      We watched a movie (?) on Netflix last night. It was a low budget “do it yourself” almost type movie of a guy and his “significant others” trip to Alaska. When they got to Haines my wife said she thought she could do a boat in Haines as it didn’t look as rough. So maybe we will try it again… but I think the patch is an excellent idea!!!!

      We saw Amish in Alaska and in Canada who were on vacation. One group was combining business and vacation. Each time my wife would go up and talk to them and ask them where they were from etc. We didn’t see any living there.

      Thanks for your kind comments and suggestions.

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