74 responses to Amish children and spanking

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    stephanie
    Amish children and spanking (November 25th, 2012 at 19:02)

    Christ never told us not to spank our children? You do understand that Chrust and the Father are one correct? “Spare the rod and spoil the child” also the Bible says that he who spares the rod of correction HATES his son. God disciplines us (sometimes harshly) all the time.

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      Response to Stephanie: Use of the Rod (November 29th, 2012 at 20:11)

      Response to Stephanie: Use of the Rod

      With sheepherders centuries ago, rods were used to GUIDE the sheep, not hit them. This is what is meant in the Bible: Spare the rod (don’t guide or teach [meaning discipline]) and you would hate your child.

      Again, discipline does not have to be physical; there are many other ways. I see a multitude of primary caretakers who do not even give non-violence a try, or if they do, they will attempt it a few times & then go back to the old ways of hitting in one form or another. Hitting merely teaches hitting. I remember this one mother who was spanking her child all the while telling him “I’ll teach you not to hit your brother!”

      Response to Stephanie: Use of the Rod

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    Eweguyz R. Dumm
    Amish children and spanking (November 28th, 2012 at 13:53)

    So, how many of you using your interpretation of The Bible to justify using physical force on your child wear blended fabrics (i.e. cotton/poly blends etc.) or how many of you eat seafood. Both of these actions are abominations. It’s funny how you pick and chose which passages to follow. How convenient. You spankers will pay for what you’ve done one day. I understand that some of you who have been spanked claim to be thankful for the way you were treated. Some of you feel it was what was right at the time & it was for the best. This is a function of your brain to protect and rationalize the abusive actions of your parents. It is very common.

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    TealRose
    The Ends Justifies the Means? (November 28th, 2012 at 16:54)

    The Ends Justifies the Means?

    Marlene – Are you kidding me? ‘The ends justifies the means?’ – so if your husband decides to kick you down the stairs, to stop you being ‘cheeky’ to him, or to merely hit you to show you that what you are doing is dangerous – that will be ok ???

    Every family IS different. Every CHILD is different. Every adult is different. NONE of them need to be hit or should be hit to help them learn to grow into great and gentle adults.

    Iain – children not doing something because of fear of the spanking or of the parent is NOT a good thing on many grounds. Mainly because you don’t learn WHY you shouldn’t do a thing, or should do a thing when you are hit, you only learn to avoid being hit. ie you get more sneaky and never learn the real reasons behind being kind, gentle, caring etc. Now – you look around today – and see where you are. You see children running riotous – now as most children in the USA ie 92% today ARE still spanked, it blows the ‘parents today are too frightened to spank and it’s so obvious in the way the children behave’ ideas out the window.

    Here in Europe I do NOT see children running wild, I have lived here for three years now and the only children screaming in the supermarket and shopping mall had fallen …… THREE times in three years doesn’t seem to be a lot of screaming to me. Children are polite, kind, generous as are their parents. If you GIVE your love and gentleness to the children and treat them with respect they will use you as a model and give you respect back. You don’t deserve it just for being older than them.

    Parenting actually involves BEING there for your children. Not ignoring them, when home, because you are ‘too tired’. Not palming them off onto grandparents every weekend, or allowing them to go out into the streets to play when they are too young and do not understand how to keep safe. Parenting takes time and energy. That is what parenting is about. It’s about unconditional love – and teaching them how the world works and how they have to act within it.

    You shouldn’t be hitting a child and then cuddling it etc. Talk about mixed messages! Your love shouldn’t be conditional, and hitting a child and then hugging it teaches it that ‘love hurts’ – and is normal. Do you REALLY want to teach this to your little daughter – and then find that she thought that when her husband beat her he was really ‘loving’ her ?? Or teach your son that the way to deal with women or children is to hit them rather than help them ??

    The Ends Justifies the Means?

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    lian
    Amish children and spanking (April 10th, 2013 at 13:52)

    Jesus only used violence once when he wanted to clean the temple and he never used any violence against humans and never beat anybody to taught the true way of life and he told us to follow him so that is enough for me to understand that beating a child in any way and any purpose is never what Jesus taught us to do.

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    abigail
    ok (December 10th, 2013 at 20:59)

    ok

    im Abigail and im 16. I thought when I was a child, that I wanted to be the parent that never spanked their kid. now I realize that’s wrong. the bible says you should. that makes it a fact.

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      TealRose
      Sorry but the Bible says NO such thing ! (December 11th, 2013 at 10:14)

      Sorry but the Bible says NO such thing !

      Dear Abigail – Have you actually read the words where Christ tells us to spank/hit our children ?? No? Then I will tell you that he never DOES ever .. not EVER. He died for all of our sins – not just adults – he died so we could be saved and live in grace. Again – not just for adults – for ALL of us. He warns us of hurting children, telling us that it would be better for us to have a millstone around our necks and be thrown into the ocean if we do hurt them, or cause them to be angry or stumble [ loose faith ]. Now .. being hit causes most of us to be angry and for a lot more of us sadly it causes us to loose our faith too in a loving Father in heaven.

      Christ told us that the ‘Golden Rule’ is to love God with all our heart, and then to love / treat one another as we would want to be treated. Now .. I don’t know about you – but I for one don’t want to be hit, and don’t expect to be hit either. I don’t hit other adults when they irritate me, or do the wrong thing, or I want something different. I either ignore their behaviour, or talk about it with them. Just as I would a child. There is NEVER a ‘right’ reason to hit a child or anyone else except in self defence or defence of another.

      If you have been told/read about ‘the rod’ – you should know this. It means either a shepherds rod/crook – and they didn’t hit sheep with it, they fought off the prey with it and hitting anyone with that would have cause SERIOUS damage or death. OR … it is the Rod of the Law – which is a whole lot of ‘paperwork’ basically of laws that we should learn and follow. It is explaining how it is right to teach our children right from wrong and about these laws – it’s NOT telling us to hit children.

      Please go and read your Bible again, and search hard for Christ’s words about how to spank children – and believe me you won’t find them because they aren’t there! He told his disciples off and told them to ‘Suffer the little children to come unto me!’ – he didn’t say … oh and by the way .. spank those ones in the corner because they have been naughty today !!!!

      Sorry but the Bible says NO such thing !

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        abigail
        it is found in proverbs (December 11th, 2013 at 21:27)

        it is found in proverbs

        i am not going to argue with you. this will be my last comment.he who spareth the rod of diceplene hateth his child.

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          TealRose
          Discipline (December 12th, 2013 at 09:31)

          Discipline

          “He who spareth the rod of discipline hateth his child” I agree totally with you Abigail. Only the words do NOT mean hitting. The word ‘discipline’ means to teach not to hit. It’s where the word DISCIPLE comes from. ‘to disciple’ = to teach. This quote means that we are irresponsible if we don’t teach our children the ways of right and wrong etc. As I said before, the Rod of Discipline is ‘the law’.

          “1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? Lk. 22.24
          2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
          3 and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mk. 10.15 · Lk. 18.17
          4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
          5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.”

          If God thinks children are so ‘bad/evil’ whatever – why would Christ tell us we have to BE like a child ??

          “6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

          What do YOU think Christ was saying here ?? He’s telling us NOT to hurt a child, not to make them lose faith … and hitting them WILL do both of those things.

          “10 ¶ Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.”

          Yet another warning by Christ against despising/hating/ hurting a child …

          Discipline

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    Pete
    Let's be real (July 26th, 2014 at 12:33)

    Let's be real

    First of all, lets get religion out of the conversation, men wrote the bible, not God. It’s just another book. Second: When a child does something wrong a parent needs to teach why it was wrong. If that teaching needs reinforcing for repeat actions a spanking might be in order. They hurt, they are supposed to hurt. If you do it again it is going to hurt you. Easy, logical. Do nothing and let the school take care of it by having your kid arrested for fighting, get a record for assault and destroy their life. Your decision. To many parents are just to busy keeping up with the Jones today to be parents and are always looking for the easy way out. With latch key, day care, camps, and parental obligations for employment and social life it is no wonder they have no idea of how their kid is being raised. Take care of your obligations and you wont be finding so much time to nose into that of another.

    Let's be real

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      No Reason For It! (July 26th, 2014 at 17:05)

      No Reason For It!

      @ Pete: And you cannot figure out ANY other way to discipline a child without putting your hands on them? So you take the easy way out & hit them? There’s no reason for that. I’ve raised, assisted in raising, & taken care of many, many children all without ever laying a hand on them. They’ve responded just beautifully without spanking. I have no problem teaching them what’s right & what’s wrong.

      No Reason For It!

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      TealRose
      Amish children and spanking (July 26th, 2014 at 19:24)

      By all means Pete, let’s keep the bible out of it. Let’s get real as you say. Let’s look into the fact that hitting is hitting no matter how old you are ~ 80 or 8 yrs old. It doesn’t teach a thing except a lot of things you really do not wish to teach a child. I presume you know that when you are being hurt, or in fear of being hurt ie spanked, you don’t learn anything, you don’t retain anything, you are in FEAR and that blocks everything out except the pain and the fear…. and the hate too.

      I agree, that if you do nothing ie no discipline then yes, children will not be able to grow up knowing right from wrong. However, discipline means to teach and not to hit. Most criminals in jail WERE spanked. Over 92% of all children in the USA today are spanked regularly. Seems like a whole lot of children are going to be growing up and going to jail, and may well be why America has the highest level of prisoners % wise in the world. If you don’t respect a child, do not expect it back. You don’t get it just be being over the age of majority, you have to earn it and give it and demonstrate it. Many adults do not deserve to be respected. I lost the love, respect and trust of my parents from the first time they hit me. I don’t respect or love … or more importantly trust anyone who hits me.

      If you cannot teach a child how to live, right from wrong, and how to be kind and gentle without BEING kind and gentle then you need to find the gentle parenting sites …. No one deserves to be hit ever. Unless in defence of yourself or of another. If you aren’t prepared to learn about age related behaviour, how to treat children with respect and love and gentleness, then I hope you never are allowed near them. They deserve much more than being hit.

      I have raised my own children who have children now of their own. All gentle, kind and a joy to be around. None of them ever hit and all of them knowing that hitting is wrong.

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        @ TealRose (July 26th, 2014 at 19:40)

        @ TealRose

        Your comments are always right on, TealRose. They are always so refreshing & such a joy to read. Please keep commenting!

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