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13 Amish Going To Trial Over Manure Ordinance

Comment #165381 by Kiki on 28.05.17, 03:33

Praying for them and their safety IS what we do, as well as pray for the safety of everyone else who ISN’T Amish. That’s not the point. The county in this case is being rather petty but that’s not the point either. The point is that the Amish, along with every other American, has a responsibility, especially because their faith commands it, to be obedient to their civil leaders and the law as long as it doesn’t violate God’s Law. It doesn’t matter how petty WE think the law is. God doesn’t allow us to defy that authority. In this case, some of the Amish are claiming a religious reason for not doing what God commands which is in direct contradiction to their claims of being obedient to Scripture. The criticism is NOT towards their faith but towards the MAN-made rules that aren’t even supported by Scripture. Those man-made rules are the cause of all the trouble, because they’re confusing those rules with obedience to God’s word. Praying for them is great but it doesn’t change their defiance of the law. Just as praying for a starving person isn’t the only thing we need to do. We need to feed him! The Amish need to be helped along as well and sometimes that help comes in the form of constructive criticism and suggestions by the English.

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Whooping Cough Outbreak Strikes Missouri Amish Community

Comment #165345 by Alice Mary on 27.05.17, 11:56

Not surprising.

In this area, 3 students at a nearby town’s high school have contracted mumps. I’m sure with summer vacation beginning, there will be more diseases spreading throughout the country…and beyond. Too bad so many (English & Amish) don’t understand that their refusal (or ignorance) to vaccinate can adversely affect “innocent bystanders” and not JUST themselves & their children. People with compromised immune systems (cancer patients having chemo/radiation, for example), infants, etc., can have their lives threatened by preventable diseases they catch from non-vaccinated individuals.

Sad.

Alice Mary

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13 Amish Going To Trial Over Manure Ordinance

Comment #165342 by John Lueders on 27.05.17, 09:36

Here in Wisconsin we had a similar case near Loyal and Greenwood with Swartzentrubers. The Amish were having trouble with the Loyal community so they quit going there. This led to the grocery store closing and one of the two convenience stores closing as well. The Amish now shop in Greenwood a few miles away. In this instance there were enough Amish families in the area to make a boycott be felt. And fortunately there were no court cases.
This is big farming country. How many times have you seen a manure spreader dropping more stuff on the road than in the field. Stuff happens.

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Is Amish Food Really Better?

Comment #165336 by Janice on 27.05.17, 08:22

In my experience, Amish food is not better. It is quite weak in the substance department. I have bought jams/jellies, pies, cookies, pizza bread, chili, etc. from several families in the Gladwin, MI. area.
The jams and jellies are quite watery. Fruit pies have more fruit sauce than fruit. Cookies are too sweet and made with lard, not butter. The chili was tasty but had way too much cocoa in it. Their chocolate cream pies are yummy, but, their banana cream pies have little banana in them. Pizza bread is tasty but has more bread than pizza fillings. I learned that if I wanted my pies to have the fruit amount I was used to, I had to provide the fruit. The same applied to the pizza bread. I found a family that was very agreeable to my providing the fruit/pizza ingredients. It saved them money! They are a lovely family and very friendly. They invited me into their kitchen to watch them prepare the pies/bread/cookies for their Saturday sale. We had some very interesting chats. This family was the only family that still had older daughters at home who were not that interested in getting married and being pregnant for the rest of their life. They were interested in where I came from and how I did things. They also invited me into their home. We discussed furniture and how they decorated their home. I met only one other family that was willing to discuss their way of life with me. This family made baskets and quilts for a living. I would visit them regularly to buy baskets and have quilts sewn to my design, to offer as gifts. I watched the kids grow over the years, get married and move into their own home and continue the practice of basket weaving. So, while some people try to push the notion that Amish food is better, more wholesome than Englisher food, it is not. It all depends on the cook/baker.

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13 Amish Going To Trial Over Manure Ordinance

Comment #165324 by Friend of Amish on 27.05.17, 04:13

There are enough distractions for a horse without a STUPID bag tied to them. The way people come roaring up on buggies, cutting them off, people honking their horns, trucks roaring around them, people yelling obscenities, throwing objects at the horses & occupants of the buggies, I’m surprised more Amish people aren’t killed by English drivers. We need to PRAY for their daily safety instead of being so CRITICAL!

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5 Interesting Facts on Lancaster Amish Schools

Comment #165310 by Oldkat on 26.05.17, 21:17

Thanks for the tip on the OOM community near Ephrata. We will surely drive up that way. We are flying up on that Tuesday AM, so have the PM on Tuesday and all day Wednesday to explore.

Going to do the Horse Progress Days bus tour, which in on Thursday, again this year. Horses, Amish, beautiful farm country and Old Order Mennonites nearby … as a bonus. Christmas is coming six months early for me this year!

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13 Amish Going To Trial Over Manure Ordinance

Comment #165307 by Lisa McCauley on 26.05.17, 19:56

Scoop up the horse droppings , and put them in flower beds, garden s
The city could gather it up and sell it for fertilizer…

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Comment #165300 by Kiki on 26.05.17, 17:44

Well said Forest Hazel! If it were a matter of the civil law violating God’s law, it’d be a completely different issue and God’s law would take precedent, in ANY Christian community.

I believe that, many times, certain Amish like to claim an issue is a religious one when it isn’t. It’s a convenient excuse. Perhaps there isn’t any intent to be defiant and they actually have convinced themselves it’s a religious issue. However, when one looks at Scripture it becomes evident that it’s a matter of stubbornness. At that point they need to turn, become humble, and submit to the authorities.

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13 Amish Going To Trial Over Manure Ordinance

Comment #165298 by Staci on 26.05.17, 16:20

I don’t understand how a material bag to catch droppings is against their religion. It’s not like its an electric mechanism, it’s a bag!

I’m all about leaving them alone and let live, but it’s a bag for goodness sakes.

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Comment #165292 by Katie Troyer on 26.05.17, 13:29

When the Anabaptist fled it was a matter of freedom of religion. It was the same when the Mennonites and Amish migrated to North America, it was freedon of religion. But in this case, it is not freedon of religion. It looks more like a power struggle over horse poop. But hidden under this horse poop are many more attitude issues that are not addressed from both sides of the issue.

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Comment #165289 by Forest Hazel on 26.05.17, 12:01

Looks to me like the town/county has decided they are tired of having the Swartzentrubers around, and this is their way of saying it. But his is not a religious issue; it’s the Swartzentrubers being hard headed. We are told to follow the civil laws as long as they do not conflict with God’s law, and in all my reading of the Scripture I have yet to see a prohibiting on horse diapers.

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13 Amish Going To Trial Over Manure Ordinance

Comment #165285 by Kiki on 26.05.17, 10:46

I agree that this is rather over the top as regards to health; horse manure, or any manure from any animal who eats only vegetation, poses no health risk. It’s a matter of aesthetics and the county won’t take someone to court over aesthetics so they hide it behind the screen of “human health concerns”. As for the rest of the conflicts over the Amish not following the laws of the land. In the book of Romans Saint Paul expressly forbids Christians from defying civil authority. We’re to be blameless in every way and that means we must be model citizens. For too long the Amish have bucked civil law, claiming it goes against their beliefs. However, many of their practices are NOT founded in Scripture but in man-made rules that have no real basis in Scripture. No where in Scripture does it address whether a horse should be shod, yet the Amish put shoes on their horses. No where in Scripture does it say ANYTHING about how one’s buggy should look, which explains the differences in the Amish communities. What IS addressed is that we MUST, as Christians, submit to our civil authorities because God allowed them to be in authority. To defy them is the defy God Himself. Man-made rules MUST take a backseat to God’s word and His desire to see His sons and daughters be the examples of civility and humility. There is no humility or civility in disobeying civil law, nor does it advance peace between communities which is another Apostolic command: “If at all possible, be at peace with all men.”

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Whooping Cough Outbreak Strikes Missouri Amish Community

Comment #165284 by jerry on 26.05.17, 10:39

As I have been attending Amish auctions this spring I only saw one location where the PA Dept of Health was offering immunizations. That was near Danville, Pa (Beaver Run). RMM and tetanus shot were being offered. A few years ago a group from Perry County went to Haiti to help rebuild and they brought back measles. I was recently told they have had no cases in the last two years.

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13 Amish Going To Trial Over Manure Ordinance

Comment #165277 by sherry snyr on 26.05.17, 09:18

I hate that I am being so angry about the Amish. But they moved in on my road and they do not follow any laws that I have to follow. The township, county and state are afraid of them. They use religion as an excuse to be exempt. I read online that they don’t use phones. Everyday they are at my neighbors using their phone. Everyday I see them riding in my neighbors vehicles, everyday I see them in the grocery store buying hundreds of dollars of junk food.
Our township put a fire bill on our taxes to pay for the fire trucks to come to the Amish house burning. My homeowners pays for that bill if my house burns down. Our road is churned up from the steel wheels. Horses tied out in the ditches, cows running loose in the road. Everyday seems like they break a rule just to see if they can get away with it.

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Comment #165276 by Jemima Schinnerer on 26.05.17, 09:02

This is a bit over the top in my opinion. I live in upstate New York and own a farm. Horse manure will biodegrade on it’s own. It does not cause any more health issue then any other animal droppings that are naturally left.

Are they going to site people for letting their dogs go all over? How about the wild? We have wild bears on our property and I can guarantee their droppings are a lot larger than my horses.

Sounds like an unfriendly community issue to me. Leave them alone and put the legal system to better use prosecuting people who cause actual crimes.

I’ll climb down from my soap box now. =-)

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5 Interesting Facts on Lancaster Amish Schools

Comment #165275 by Erik/Amish America on 26.05.17, 08:54

Hi Oldkat, thanks for the post and just a quick response right now – I did get it – will get back to ya! Just had one of those weeks :) The OOM community is generally in the Ephrata area and surrounding areas. Yes I recommend paying a visit, I think you’ll find those areas interesting. You’ll know you’re in the right area when you start seeing black buggies rather than the Lancaster Amish grey :)

And I am on the same page on the electronic white board example you shared. I encountered it once in a classroom context and it just wasn’t my thing. I think time saving and work-enhancing technologies, apps, etc. can be good in theory but we also have to be careful not to let the tech get in the way of the main goal.

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Comment #165274 by KimH on 26.05.17, 08:47

Unfortunately, all of us must conform to government standards whether we want to or not, and that includes the Amish.

There wasn’t as much EPA involvement 10 years ago as there is today. You can’t even change your oil in your car (or electronics) and dispose of it like you used to be able to.

Cities and states are being mandated more and more every day. They aren’t crazy about it either in some cases, but to qualify for state and federal grants to keep their communities going, they must conform.

Sometimes, you just gotta pick your battles.

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Comment #165273 by Gypsy Pyles on 26.05.17, 08:42

In NYC we have fewer horses every year. I speak from 1960 until now and can tell you that before the droppings cool, someone will scoop the valued fresh fertilizer up for their garden in Brooklyn NY.
Much better to charge those who leave plastic laying around.

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Comment #165271 by Erik/Amish America on 26.05.17, 08:12

In my limited time following the Amish (13 years), it seems to me that you do see more examples of Amish involved in legal disputes in recent years, than what I recall from the mid-2000s.

That’s just my impression. But if that’s the case (or if it’s true compared with the olden days as you suggest), any idea why things have changed, Katie?

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Comment #165270 by cheryl walker on 26.05.17, 08:11

WHO was there first……….the AMISH

Then LEAVE them alone………either way people know their life sstyle
we go to PA every year and you see it every where but i am OK with that…..when it rains it washes it in teh dirt and fertilizes…..

LEAVE THEM ALONE………….PLEASE

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13 Amish Going To Trial Over Manure Ordinance

Comment #165269 by Katie Troyer on 26.05.17, 08:06

Way back in the olden days of our forefathers, the Amish would not fight the law but chose to move elsewhere.

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FAQ

Comment #165227 by Laurie Sisk on 25.05.17, 15:33

I am looking to have someone take down a very large walnut tree in Joplin, Mo. How can I find some Amish gentlemen to do that?

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Amish Bishop Charged For Failing To Report Abuse

Comment #165190 by Jim Cates on 24.05.17, 22:42

I am late to this discussion – I was interested in the title Erik posted, and filed it for future reading, with no idea he quoted from “Serving the Amish!” Thanks for your kind words, Erik. This touches on another Amish/English distinction that is very important, and that is our view of forgiveness. We (English) contribute to the problem when we are so very moved by the Amish willingness to forgive a mass murderer, as in the Nickel Mines killings, but fail to see forgiveness of a sex offender in their own community as the opposite side of the same coin. For us, they are vastly different types of forgiveness. For the Amish? If a sin has been confessed, it needs to be forgiven and forgotten. Wrestling with how to do that and still hold the sinner accountable is a slow process of understanding and change in their communities. It is happening, as the posts above suggest, but it is slow, and must be accomplished while maintaining their principle of a Christ-like forgiveness. I admire and respect so much those among the Amish who are working to make these changes.

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5 Interesting Facts on Lancaster Amish Schools

Comment #165188 by jerry on 24.05.17, 22:11

I do not explore any orders East of the river and I wonder if the Old Order Mennonites in Lancaster County have men with beards. I am familiar with OOM in Synder County. They “Synders” men do not sport beards and I was wondering if the Lancaster OOM have beards. Does anyone have knowledge of this?

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5 Interesting Facts on Lancaster Amish Schools

Comment #165183 by Al in Ky on 24.05.17, 20:44

This was interesting, especially to learn that some schools have both Amish and Mennonite students. I was wondering if there are similar Amish/Mennonite schools in other settlements. It brought to mind the southwestern Elkhart County, Indiana, area. In that area there are several plain Mennonite groups, plain Brethren, German Baptist, and towards Nappanee, Old Order Amish. I couldn’t find any information in books I have about such schools in that area.

But I did find something interesting in the book “An Amish Patchwork: Indiana’s Old Orders in the Modern World”. On page 150 it states, “In 1969 (the Old Order Mennonites) joined other conservative Mennonite and Brethren groups in starting a parochial school in the Yellow Creek area (which is southwest of Goshen). As enrollment increased and more children withdrew from the public schools, each of the cooperating churches opened its own school.”

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