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Amish Group Known For Unusual Safety Triangles Expected To Add New Safety Enhancement

Comment #654893 by CJ on 11.11.19, 18:24

Happy they can agree on flashing lights, & hopefully that can prevent accidents, amongst the Amish. They and their beautiful horses are so vulnerable with fast moving traffic.
The only thing I can say, and maybe a myth rather than truth (I have No stats, to back it up)… is that drunk drivers are attracted to flashing lights & crash into police cars & such?! Hopefully this is NOT true!
Hope these Amish flashing buggy lights don’t cause more accidents with Drunks!

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #654892 by Walter Boomsma on 11.11.19, 17:53

I’m almost afraid to say much more beyond the title… because there are so many different issues raised in the comment thread! It is interesting how the question of whether or not a religious vaccination exemption is in order under these circumstances has morphed in a debate about several other questions ranging from the effectiveness of ALL vaccinations to abortion.

We continue to struggle to balance individual freedom(s) with the “greater good” of society in general. It would be far more frightening if we weren’t struggling.

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What are typical Amish businesses?

Comment #654886 by Al Humble on 11.11.19, 16:12

Hi,
I’m looking for Amish craftsmen to build a farm/garden tool for me.
Can you refer someone to me?
I live in central New Mexico and can travel to pick it up.
Thanks,
Al
(505) 350-0595

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #654885 by Geo on 11.11.19, 15:45

Alex, how fortunate we are to have input from an expert who can set the rest of us straight. You neglected to list your qualifications. Please enlighten us.

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Romulus, New York Amish Community

Comment #654881 by Janice Armer on 11.11.19, 14:36

I am writing this from the Mohawk Valley Settlement. We have heard news reports that Cranberry Marsh School in Romulus is being forced to close due the new vaccination law. Is there any additional information about this available. My neighbors here will be in accord with the Romulus people.

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Amish Group Known For Unusual Safety Triangles Expected To Add New Safety Enhancement

Comment #654879 by Rebecca on 11.11.19, 14:26

Not sure if this can help, but there are tunnels that have flashing lights approaching their entrances to alert motorists of bicyclists in the tunnel when flashing. Slow moving vehicle alerts between limited sight distance checkpoints might help prevent buggy accidents, too. The cyclist/pedestrian presses a button to activate the blinking lights when entering the zone, and deactivate when exiting the zone. Another idea is to designate certain hours for these areas for reduced speed limits, like school zones.

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Amish Birding

Comment #654870 by MKJ on 11.11.19, 11:59

Birds require habitat, and from what I understand, after centuries of settlement and high birth rates Lancaster co land is now at a premium. To the point that grown sons don’t have options to farm, and people are turning to puppy mills for $. Etc. In such a situation, any acreage that could be put into use to give a son a farm, likely would have been done. Thus, habitat gone. Also the use of petroleum based fertilizers and pesticides killing off the insect population birds need for food, manure contaminating streams and ponds, etc surely affects the area’s viability for wildlife.

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #654869 by Bill Rushby on 11.11.19, 11:58

Hello again, Stephanie!

In this matter the judicial process comes into play to settle competing claims by involved parties. Of course, the judicial official(s) in charge, after hearing the arguments of competing parties, has to decide whose claims and interests will prevail. That’s how the system works. Compromise is often the final outcome. Those who feel a compromise is unacceptable may always appeal to a higher court, which I believe was done in the matter of childhood vaccinations. One always can opt for home school education, as one of the comments indicated.

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #654865 by Stephanie Berkey on 11.11.19, 10:34

That is, I have avoided it and hope to continue to do so, God willing.

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Amish Builders

Comment #654772 by Ryan Lopez on 10.11.19, 21:50

Looking for an Amish builder in the San Luis Valley, CO. Looking to potentially buy land and will need a homestead. Willing to negotiate size and cost of home. Thanks in advance!

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #654598 by Erik/Amish America on 10.11.19, 10:59

So you’re saying that the chance of catching measles is the same if I’m

A) sitting next to an infected person in a classroom for 8 hours as they cough and sneeze in my direction

and

B) spending a few moments in that person’s vicinity in a cavernous retail store

Those two “Are The Same”. Got it, thanks

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #653929 by Stephanie Berkey on 09.11.19, 18:33

The United States Constitution is based on the principle that we are blessed with with unalienable rights by our creator (not by the government). “Rights” granted by a government can be taken away by the same. That is why it is so important to remember that parental and religious rights do not come from government, but directly from God.

This case is an erosion of parental and religious rights. Apparently it is against Mr. Stoltzfus’ deeply held religious beliefs and training to vaccinate, therefore it should be respected. The more our rights are denied or abdicated, the more “involved”, intrusive, and oppressive the government can become. This is certainly not what our founding father’s wanted nor intended for America.

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #653924 by Stephanie Berkey on 09.11.19, 16:30

Bill,
I apologize if I misunderstood your meaning. That is what it basically boils down to though. The government would be the one to decide such things, just as this judge did here.

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #653923 by Stephanie Berkey on 09.11.19, 16:04

Hello Bill,
You wrote, “In our beloved country, the rights of all must be protected”. By who? This article is about government interference.

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #653917 by Bill Rushby on 09.11.19, 14:31

Hello again, Stephanie!

You allege that I wrote (or implied) various things about the government, abortion and who knows what! None of these allegations are valid.

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #653915 by Bill Rushby on 09.11.19, 14:21

Roy Weaver, Daniel Weaver’s father, got asked by several people why he planned to move from Ohio to New York State. They asked specifically “is it the high taxes or the snow in NYS?” In his case, I believe that kinship considerations were decisive!!

One of our discussants in this thread claimed that the Amish need to leave NYS. In point of fact, they are moving in large numbers rather than moving out!

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #653914 by Stephanie Berkey on 09.11.19, 14:07

Leslie,
I’m so sorry to hear that your child became autistic due to vaccinations. May God bless you and your family.

Bill,
If the government truly cares so much for children, why have there been more than 55 million abortions since 1973, most of which have been funded and pushed by, guess who? The government. And many of them late term and some deaths after birth? Yet, you want us to believe they know what’s best for our children?

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #653912 by Bill Rushby on 09.11.19, 13:44

I took some courses in biology with pre-med students and did rather well in these courses. But I would never claim to be an expert in either biology or medical issues.

I think I do know that the success rate of most medical treatments is a matter of probability rather than certainty. There are many variables at work in treating, or preventing, diseases. So, no, most medical treatments are not foolproof. Specifically, in the matter of vaccines, they often are effective but there are no guarantees. Is an 80% success rate an indication that a vaccine “works”? Yes and no!

I get a flu shot every year, but would not deliberately expose myself to a flu virus unless it was necessary for some reason.

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #653902 by Stephanie Berkey on 09.11.19, 10:40

Alex, you are a doctor? Well now, that explains a lot. Then you know very well what the warnings are that accompany vaccinations, and how they include all kinds of horrors, including possible death.

I’m very sorry to hear about your experiences and your frustration, however, there are risks either way with the medical. I’m not familiar with farming, but it sounds like a good law to have grain-auger guard and I have no idea why a person wouldn’t.

I actually have been very ill and have bypassed the surgery, chemo, and radiation. I prefer to trust not in the arm nor wisdom of man, which has been known to be very much in error to much detriment and even death of many. Can you deny that?

We not only have a right, but a duty, to protect against these dangers as wisely as possible.

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #653881 by Nathan on 09.11.19, 02:36

Alex you are not making any sense. If the English in Walmart check out line have all been vaccinated, then what do they have to fear from the unvaccinated Amish?

Do the vaccines not work?

Why would the state not allow the unvaccinated Amish to ride on a school bus with vaccinated English if vaccines were effective? Getting a mixed message here.

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #653734 by Alex Knisely on 08.11.19, 18:49

You come up with an explanation for why an Amishman refuses to bring his child back for treatment for a metabolic disorder, saying instead, We’ll just give her goats’ milk and herbs and see how she does. You come up with an explanation for why an Amishman ignores Pennsylvania law and fails to install a grain-auger guard. I’ve got one. You don’t like it? Feh.

You’ve got an explanation for why people won’t vaccinate their children — “vaccinations have been and are extremely dangerous and damaging, and even lethal”. Someone who advances twaddle like that without a JUST KIDDING ! ! ! immediately thereafter is, and let’s be frank, remarkably silly. Taken care of a child with whooping cough who went on to die and whose parents had used their God-given rights to decline to have her vaccinated? I have. Go on and match that experience with something you read on the Internet. When you have your eventual heart attack, I’ll be right there at your bedside, offering you goats’ milk and herbs. You’d rather have bypass surgery…? Well, how about that !

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #653733 by Alex Knisely on 08.11.19, 18:40

You wrote “I’m not a contagious diseases expert”. Got THAT right.

Measles ? Just a little exposure. Just a short time. And EVERYONE susceptible is infected. Now, if you were talking about human immunodeficiency virus, a bug that you have to work work work to catch, you’d have an argument.

You’re trying to tread a middle road. I get that. But reason and compromise don’t work with viruses, Erik.

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #653721 by Stephanie Berkey on 08.11.19, 14:54

I’m aware of the slant of how this issue has been presented by the media and some in power, however, it doesn’t make it true. There is plenty of hard evidence, for those who want to see it, that vaccinations have been and are extremely dangerous and damaging, and even lethal.

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NY Judge: No Religious Vaccination Exemption For Amish

Comment #653719 by Bill Rushby on 08.11.19, 14:36

In our beloved country, the rights of all must be protected, and that means balancing the divergent “rights” of various segments of the population. No one group has “absolute” rights. A given person or group’s rights end where they infringe upon the health and wellbeing of other individuals and groups! And that includes the rights of children to health and happiness too.

This will inevitably involve compromises, which may be difficult for some to swallow. We must all be tolerant but also consider the “common good!”

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Do Amish dance?

Comment #653718 by Stephanie Berkey on 08.11.19, 14:34

Thank you for this post. I was wondering about their beliefs on dancing. I would think the Mennonites also believe similarly regarding dancing.

My Dad and his brother were raised Mennonite and both raised their children differently, however, my Uncle wouldn’t let his children dance. Once when both our families went to Marriott’s Great America there was a dance that night and my Dad tried to convince him to allow it by saying the oak tree is a mighty tree, but bends with the wind. My Uncle didn’t change his mind.

Another dance memory of my Dad is one night after his work (building pole buildings), he found us children in the yard listening to music, and for a spoof my Dad broke into a perfect moonwalk, workboots and all 😀

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